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      dbeato @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

      @dbeato said in Building a Mail Server:

      @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

      @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

      @scottalanmiller

      cough RAM cough 😀

      It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

      Yeah but can run fine for 50 mailboxes on 4 GB of RAM...

      Can, but it still slows way down doing... something.

      yeah, management suffers.

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller @dbeato
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        @dbeato said in Building a Mail Server:

        @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

        @dbeato said in Building a Mail Server:

        @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

        @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

        @scottalanmiller

        cough RAM cough 😀

        It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

        Yeah but can run fine for 50 mailboxes on 4 GB of RAM...

        Can, but it still slows way down doing... something.

        yeah, management suffers.

        Even email delivery we sometimes see stop and web interfaces fail for ten minutes or so while it does whatever it is doing.

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          Curtis @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller you should checkout mailcow. I think you would be pleasantly surprised 🙂

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            scottalanmiller @Curtis
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            @Curtis said in Building a Mail Server:

            @scottalanmiller you should checkout mailcow. I think you would be pleasantly surprised 🙂

            I have, and it looks really nice. It's in our plans to do a full scale test, highly considering moving to it. Everything about it seems to fit our usage cases really well. Zimbra has a few features that it is lacking, but none are ones that we use. So we don't care 🙂

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              Curtis @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller I just did another mailcow installation, and it's working great! How are you making out?

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                dave_c @Curtis
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                @Curtis
                What is your host OS? I am using CentOS and Debian in production, but about to test Alpine

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Curtis
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                  @Curtis said in Building a Mail Server:

                  @scottalanmiller I just did another mailcow installation, and it's working great! How are you making out?

                  No time to really dig into it yet, lots of stuff going on. But I hope to get time to look at it soon.

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                    Curtis @dave_c
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                    @dave_c Ubuntu

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                      dave_c @Curtis
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                      @Curtis
                      Understood, thank you. I only use Ubuntu when it is the only or the best option, like for Xen Orchestra.
                      Once I get some free time I will try Alpine

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                      • CloudKnightC
                        CloudKnight @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                        @Curtis said in Building a Mail Server:

                        @scottalanmiller you should checkout mailcow. I think you would be pleasantly surprised 🙂

                        I have, and it looks really nice. It's in our plans to do a full scale test, highly considering moving to it. Everything about it seems to fit our usage cases really well. Zimbra has a few features that it is lacking, but none are ones that we use. So we don't care 🙂

                        What are the main feature differences you can think of?

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                          Francesco Provino @mroth911
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                          @mroth911 I don't consider self-hosted email as a viable and cost-effective alternative anymore.
                          My advice is to go with a managed service like G Suite or O365, like everyone else is doing. Consider mail like any other istante messaging like Whatsapp and Telegram, just like a service. If you can't spend 3-4€/month per user, ehm... maybe you have other issues.

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                            CloudKnight @Francesco Provino
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                            @Francesco-Provino said in Building a Mail Server:

                            @mroth911 I don't consider self-hosted email as a viable and cost-effective alternative anymore.
                            My advice is to go with a managed service like G Suite or O365, like everyone else is doing. Consider mail like any other istante messaging like Whatsapp and Telegram, just like a service. If you can't spend 3-4€/month per user, ehm... maybe you have other issues.

                            I do agree, most companies should go to 365, especially at the current cost it is. It would not surprise me that microsoft will raise the costs a considerable amount more per user within time though.
                            G suite have raised their prices which is more than 365, which was a stupid move, who would choose G suite over 365, it's crap in comparison.

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                            • scottalanmillerS
                              scottalanmiller @CloudKnight
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                              @StuartJordan O365 is only cheaper than GSuite when comparing pure email versus a lot of features. Its not a super low price. An OK price, but not cheap.

                              Now Zoho is cheap.

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                                JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                Now Zoho is cheap.

                                $2/user if you want imap (or active sync).

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
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                                  @JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:

                                  @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                  Now Zoho is cheap.

                                  $2/user if you want imap (or active sync).

                                  Used to be, but went up to $3, sadly. NTG was going to move to it, and it went up right as we tried to make the move. So we switched gears because the 50% price hike was a pretty big change to our numbers. We decided that Zimbra made more sense because of that. It tipped the scales for us.

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                                  • CloudKnightC
                                    CloudKnight @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller if you already have the knowledge to manage and have decent infrastructure, then I see no problem using Zimbra. The average Joe IT manager who hasn't touched Linux, then I'd say no...

                                    In fact your uptime has probably been more than 365 with their recent downtimes lol.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @CloudKnight
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                                      @StuartJordan said in Building a Mail Server:

                                      In fact your uptime has probably been more than 365 with their recent downtimes lol.

                                      We actually pulled the trigger on moving due to an O365 outage. We were able to migrate and move over to Zimbra faster than MS was able to support O365!

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                                      • scottalanmillerS
                                        scottalanmiller @CloudKnight
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                                        @StuartJordan said in Building a Mail Server:

                                        @scottalanmiller if you already have the knowledge to manage and have decent infrastructure, then I see no problem using Zimbra. The average Joe IT manager who hasn't touched Linux, then I'd say no...

                                        I agree, we are a special case. We ran the numbers and know that it works well for us, but still don't advise customers to do it.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @CloudKnight
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                                          @StuartJordan MXRoute definitely looks interesting. If we were shopping again, I'd strongly consider their offering.

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                                            scottalanmiller
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                                            I just realized that the MXRoute guys are semi-local to us here in the DFW.

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