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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @CrossBox
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      @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

      @scottalanmiller

      Hey guys! One of our customers contacted us saying that we're being mentioned here. Thank you and it's good to be here!

      That's great. Thank them for us, and poke them to get involved as well. We assume the customer was also mentioned (I made a point to reach out to one of them and let them know as well.)

      Great to have you here.

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      • CrossBoxC
        CrossBox @IRJ
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        @IRJ said in Building a Mail Server:

        @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

        @Pete-S said in Building a Mail Server:

        If you put cpanel on a server - not saying you should - but don't you get a complete mail setup with dovecot, postfix, spamassasin and the whole shebang? And then set it to relay smtp through mailgun.

        Isn't that what all those website and email providers do? Or are they each running custom configs?

        Yes, and no business considers that an email solution. Yes, it technically sends and receives email, but in a nearly useless fashion.

        Yeah this is pretty much good enough for personal sites, but that's about it. You get mail and basic calendar and that's it. Very ugly web interfaces through cpanel mail

        That's correct but cPanel is not to blame here. They would include anything good enough and free (even more now when SquirrelMail got dropped out and only two webmails are left), but the current self-hosted webmail apps market is pretty outdated without much progress being made for years and most of the apps just looking old, not using the latest advancements in technology or just lacking features.

        The other thing is the integration of the targeted webmail app with the control panel itself. Of course, you can always download RoundCube and install it on your hosting account, but if you want to have only one RoundCube installation serving the entire server, then you must develop an integration. This is what cPanel does with RoundCube and what has to be done in case of any other webmail app. So basically, developing and maintaining the integration just creates more work for them and that is something I doubt they want.

        If right from the beginning you're not developing software to be plug and play all the way, it's really hard to do anything later. A good example of this is Zimbra which needs a blank server to start with and you just can't use that server for anything else. You also can't install Zimbra on the server that already has your emails, let alone on a cPanel/Plesk server which has an ecosystem of its own.

        Thankfully, most of the control panels have pretty good API and plugin systems which let you do the integrations yourself and this is exactly what we at CrossBox did, among other things of course :relieved_face:

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        • DustinB3403D
          DustinB3403 @CrossBox
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          @CrossBox

          Did I just read an add, I think I just read an ad for CrossBox.

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          • JaredBuschJ
            JaredBusch @DustinB3403
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            @DustinB3403 said in Building a Mail Server:

            @CrossBox

            Did I just read an add, I think I just read an ad for CrossBox.

            No.

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            • DustinB3403D
              DustinB3403 @JaredBusch
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              @JaredBusch said in Building a Mail Server:

              @DustinB3403 said in Building a Mail Server:

              @CrossBox

              Did I just read an add, I think I just read an ad for CrossBox.

              No.

              It was meant as a good thing, not to be an ass.

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              • IRJI
                IRJ
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                That's a great way for a vendor to engage IMO. If their product offers a potential solution then why not mention it while contributing to the conversation and adding more details than what was listed before.

                This was a blatant buy more product. It added value and only mentioned the product at the tail end.

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                • DustinB3403D
                  DustinB3403 @IRJ
                  last edited by

                  @IRJ said in Building a Mail Server:

                  That's a great way for a vendor to engage IMO. If their product offers a potential solution then why not mention it while contributing to the conversation and adding more details than what was listed before.

                  This was a blatant buy more product. It added value and only mentioned the product at the tail end.

                  Yeah and that was my point, it provided details without the "flashy ad".

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @CrossBox
                    last edited by

                    @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

                    That's correct but cPanel is not to blame here. They would include anything good enough and free (even more now when SquirrelMail got dropped out and only two webmails are left), but the current self-hosted webmail apps market is pretty outdated without much progress being made for years and most of the apps just looking old, not using the latest advancements in technology or just lacking features.

                    cough Zimbra cough

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                    • CrossBoxC
                      CrossBox @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller

                      cough RAM cough 😀

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                      • scottalanmillerS
                        scottalanmiller @CrossBox
                        last edited by

                        @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

                        @scottalanmiller

                        cough RAM cough 😀

                        It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller
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                          Even with like six cores, and eight gigs of RAM, Zimbra will lock up from time to time while doing housekeeping.

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                          • dbeatoD
                            dbeato @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                            @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

                            @scottalanmiller

                            cough RAM cough 😀

                            It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

                            Yeah but can run fine for 50 mailboxes on 4 GB of RAM...

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                            • dbeatoD
                              dbeato @scottalanmiller
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                              @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                              Even with like six cores, and eight gigs of RAM, Zimbra will lock up from time to time while doing housekeeping.

                              Lol

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                              • travisdh1T
                                travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                                @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

                                @scottalanmiller

                                cough RAM cough 😀

                                It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

                                I think I'll be moving the home lab to mailcow, more moo, less resources.

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                                  Curtis @travisdh1
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                                  @travisdh1 I have been very happy with Mailcow. I am testing @CrossBox with mxroute.

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                                  • scottalanmillerS
                                    scottalanmiller @travisdh1
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                                    @travisdh1 said in Building a Mail Server:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                    @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

                                    @scottalanmiller

                                    cough RAM cough 😀

                                    It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

                                    I think I'll be moving the home lab to mailcow, more moo, less resources.

                                    Stopping milking those jokes.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @dbeato
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                                      @dbeato said in Building a Mail Server:

                                      @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                      @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

                                      @scottalanmiller

                                      cough RAM cough 😀

                                      It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

                                      Yeah but can run fine for 50 mailboxes on 4 GB of RAM...

                                      Can, but it still slows way down doing... something.

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                                      • dbeatoD
                                        dbeato @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                        @dbeato said in Building a Mail Server:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                        @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

                                        @scottalanmiller

                                        cough RAM cough 😀

                                        It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

                                        Yeah but can run fine for 50 mailboxes on 4 GB of RAM...

                                        Can, but it still slows way down doing... something.

                                        yeah, management suffers.

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                                        • scottalanmillerS
                                          scottalanmiller @dbeato
                                          last edited by

                                          @dbeato said in Building a Mail Server:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                          @dbeato said in Building a Mail Server:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in Building a Mail Server:

                                          @CrossBox said in Building a Mail Server:

                                          @scottalanmiller

                                          cough RAM cough 😀

                                          It's true, Zimbra uses a lot of resources.

                                          Yeah but can run fine for 50 mailboxes on 4 GB of RAM...

                                          Can, but it still slows way down doing... something.

                                          yeah, management suffers.

                                          Even email delivery we sometimes see stop and web interfaces fail for ten minutes or so while it does whatever it is doing.

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                                            Curtis @scottalanmiller
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                                            @scottalanmiller you should checkout mailcow. I think you would be pleasantly surprised 🙂

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