New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster
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@scottalanmiller said in New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster:
So assuming all that is correct, and there are moderately okay servers to work with (710 are pretty old, that's our retired lab stuff here, too old to really bother running typically.)
Just reading this thread top-to-bottom and wondered if anyone would mention that. OP is running 10 year old servers so the risk of downtime due to component failure has become exponentially greater.
I'm not certain if I'd be more comfortable having an HA setup between 3 very old servers or no HA on a new server (with warranty) myself... -
@manxam said in New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster:
I'm not certain if I'd be more comfortable having an HA setup between 3 very old servers or no HA on a new server (with warranty) myself...
Totally agree. But one costs money and the other he has, so I get that. But it's not going to be super reliable. Three really old machines, all past standard retirement, without warranty or support, but with HA on top. It's not horrible, but it isn't great. But the failure rate on components could make it rather costly to maintain. Plus the higher cost of power consumption doesn't help.
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If the three R710 servers are identical then use StarWind VSAN for the HA/VM setup and iSCSI Target the D2D4324-G2?
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@PhlipElder : Not intimately familiar with SW's vSAN only having tried it a few times years ago, but I assume you're suggesting using the servers for compute and HP for storage? Doesn't that completely eliminate HA as you now have a single point of failure that will affect 3 servers?
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@manxam vSAN is a hyper-converged setup with local storage being used on each node to provide HA storage for the compute.
The iSCSI Target on the standalone unit could be for backups, archival storage, or any other storage requirement that comes to mind.
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@PhlipElder : Thanks for the clarification!
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@PhlipElder will look into that as well.
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@manxam said in New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster:
@PhlipElder : Not intimately familiar with SW's vSAN only having tried it a few times years ago, but I assume you're suggesting using the servers for compute and HP for storage? Doesn't that completely eliminate HA as you now have a single point of failure that will affect 3 servers?
Absolutely no one here has or will suggest anything that involved external high risk storage. All of us are trying to get you to some form of hyperconvergence which by definition means that the storage is local and shared.
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Meh, I don’t see the issue. Those are just standard Dell servers, oldie in truth. Sell it in bundle and buy a new R740 with mission critical support. You can get a very convenient quote that include VMware and Veeam. The latest Veeam (9.5u4) can do native S3 (and S3-like) archive tiering and support direct restore to both Azure and AWS.
If we’re talking about steady-state workloads, on-premise or colo is always cheaper than IaaS. Oh, don’t forget that with the new iDrac/iLO you can treat the server effectively as a colo machine with all the good stuff like remote KVM, proactive support, remote automated installation etc., all with good html5 interface. Yes, that crappy activex/java is gone. -
@Francesco-Provino the issue he needs something today, and that won't cost him anything today.
It is a good option for sure but I don't believe he is wanting to spend money. But if he was going to look at purchasing something with warranty, look at xbyte.com
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@Francesco-Provino said in New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster:
Meh, I don’t see the issue. Those are just standard Dell servers, oldie in truth. Sell it in bundle and buy a new R740 with mission critical support. You can get a very convenient quote that include VMware and Veeam. The latest Veeam (9.5u4) can do native S3 (and S3-like) archive tiering and support direct restore to both Azure and AWS.
If we’re talking about steady-state workloads, on-premise or colo is always cheaper than IaaS. Oh, don’t forget that with the new iDrac/iLO you can treat the server effectively as a colo machine with all the good stuff like remote KVM, proactive support, remote automated installation etc., all with good html5 interface. Yes, that crappy activex/java is gone.If he sells what he has, he has nothing to run on in the mean time
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So are far as warranty, I get it. I need that. However the cost of new equipment at the present time is out of my budget. I would love to sell my scale server, But I have to have something else built. Scale for me is designed for small business, Not hosting companies.
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@mroth911 said in New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster:
So are far as warranty, I get it. I need that. However the cost of new equipment at the present time is out of my budget. I would love to sell my scale server, But I have to have something else built. Scale for me is designed for small business, Not hosting companies.
Why do you have one then?
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I was working with a guy at my previous temp job and he recommended them highly.
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@mroth911 you've yet to state why you need all of this uptime, besides from the sunk cost issues that have been discussed.
It would be cheaper for you to just turn off the power on these systems and host them on a service like Vultr and literally sell all of your equipment.
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@DustinB3403 I can not do that!. I have two 5 year terms with fiber. It would lost me like 80k per ISP to cancel.
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@mroth911 said in New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster:
I was working with a guy at my previous temp job and he recommended them highly.
So it was highly recommended 3 years ago, and now it's no longer what you need? I don't understand how you could afford it three years ago, but not now? Is your income lower now than 3 years ago?
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@mroth911 but you can continue to afford the electric, cooling and internet for this business?
You can not liquidate everything, move the hosting to something cheaper than what you can provide yourself and save money in the long haul?
Really? It makes more fiscal sense to setup, manage, maintain (purchase replacement parts) and pay for warranty on your own hardware than it does to send this off to a vps or cloud provider.
Seriously, WTF.
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@Dashrender said in New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster:
@mroth911 said in New Infrastructure to Replace Scale Cluster:
I was working with a guy at my previous temp job and he recommended them highly.
So it was highly recommended 3 years ago, and now it's no longer what you need? I don't understand how you could afford it three years ago, but not now? Is your income lower now than 3 years ago?
If he is making less money than he was 3 years ago, he should liquidate as quickly as possible and find cheaper and better alternatives to hosting his clients cpanel websites on-premise.
This topic is so F'd.
