Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be
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@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
No. . .
But he can walk and gets paid for what he'd worked.
Who said anything about him not being paid for the time he's already worked?
If there is no regulation, who enforces the employer to pay?
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@Pete-S said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
When you work long enough in the same place, you start to think that you are responsible for it all. You know management don't have a clue. It's your systems that you manage. It's your solutions they are using. In reality, it's not.
It's their systems and they gave you money in exchange for your time. You are even with your employer each time you get paid. They invested money, you invested a piece of your life. Time you will never get back. That is the deal.
You have no responsibility for anything, except to do your job while you are getting paid. That is what being an employee is - a trade.
This is the problem you are having. You are confused about what the deal is and what your part is. Not who said what or what is reasonable, legal or whatever. But it's normal. It's why people become suffer from occupational burnout. Now you just have realize it.
Well said.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
No. . .
But he can walk and gets paid for what he'd worked.
Who said anything about him not being paid for the time he's already worked?
If there is no regulation, who enforces the employer to pay?
The laws. . .
But there is no law that states you are forced to provide a certain amount of notice in "Employment at will" states. You can leave, fired or let go at any time without notice.
That is not the same law as being required to pay employees for time worked.
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@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing
There could be, usually those are written into a contract. But those benefits do not always exist.
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@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
There could be, usually those are written into a contract. But those benefits do not always exist.
Guess I've been terribly spoiled by good conditions throughout my career then
I've only realised not all companies hand out company vehicles to all employees on my 16th year in IT -
@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing
In the UK it depends. If you are sacked due to gross misconduct you wont get any money. If you are made redundant, you will get a set amount based on length of employment (could be more, but by law its at least that set amount), and if you take voluntary redundancy, you get a package as setup by the former employer... so, it depends.
If you signed a contract for 3 months notice, usually you can negotiate to leave early if you really want. "Im going to give two months". But, if you just walk out you didnt mean your contractual obligations and that could have ramifications.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
In the UK it depends. If you are sacked due to gross misconduct you wont get any money. If you are made redundant, you will get a set amount based on length of employment (could be more, but by law its at least that set amount), and if you take voluntary redundancy, you get a package as setup by the former employer... so, it depends.
If you signed a contract for 3 months notice, usually you can negotiate to leave early if you really want. "Im going to give two months". But, if you just walk out you didnt mean your contractual obligations and that could have ramifications.
That's more what I'm used to seeing!
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What @Jimmy9008 posted and you @dyasny are used to seeing are "Contract Employees" in the US.
You're hired to work <usually some set length of time> and will be paid X with these benefits and these Exit options.
A normal hire in the US is, you're hired Fulltime/Parttime at X/hour(or salary) and work until you either quit or are terminated.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@DustinB3403 so he walks out the door, and the employer refuses to pay what is owed for the last month. And there is no regulation for such a case? Damn, I wouldn't want to live in a place where this is the norm.
Of course they still owe him for any time worked. Him walking out the door/quitting has nothing to do with that. Sure they could make him sue them over it, but then he could likely go after some damages as well, I would assume that wouldn't be worth it to the company - just pay him and let him go.
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@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@guyinpv said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
And all I wanted to do was open up a conversation so they could start looking for a replacement. I wasn't expecting a circus.What were you realistically expecting?
I think he was hoping for a "risk mitigation plan" but presented it incorrectly. What would have been good would have been a discussion without the idea of him leaving but a "I'm in a key man position because my boss isn't capable of doing her or my jobs, so we need to talk about how we are going to fix the risk of me getting hit by a bus." Present it that way and you are just doing your IT job. Talk about planning to leave and that's something they can pressure you out of or blame you for, but they can't stop you or blame you for getting killed.
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@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@DustinB3403 I see. And there is no compensation involved? Some countries I worked in, if you are sacked, you get compensation, but if you decide to leave, you get nothing
There could be, usually those are written into a contract. But those benefits do not always exist.
Let's restate that - in the US, those benefits rarely exist, at least directly from the company. The person can file unemployment with the state, but that's a whole different ball game.
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@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Your mistake was trying to be nice. Learn from that. Next time, resign after finding a new role, tell them when you are going.
This was made harder by the fact that he is already in that new role and has been transitioning out.
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@DustinB3403 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
What @Jimmy9008 posted and you @dyasny are used to seeing are "Contract Employees" in the US.
You're hired to work <usually some set length of time> and will be paid X with these benefits and these Exit options.
A normal hire in the US is, you're hired Fulltime/Parttime at X/hour(or salary) and work until you either quit or are terminated.
I don't think we have that in the UK. I guess zero hour contracts perhaps, but even then it is still slightly different. Every contract I have ever seen (even delivery driver for a Pizza joint) are all "Contract Employees" as you put it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Your mistake was trying to be nice. Learn from that. Next time, resign after finding a new role, tell them when you are going.
This was made harder by the fact that he is already in that new role and has been transitioning out.
Yeah he already accepted the new pay rate and has been doing this for who knows how long already.
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@dyasny said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Jimmy9008 said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
In the UK it depends. If you are sacked due to gross misconduct you wont get any money. If you are made redundant, you will get a set amount based on length of employment (could be more, but by law its at least that set amount), and if you take voluntary redundancy, you get a package as setup by the former employer... so, it depends.
If you signed a contract for 3 months notice, usually you can negotiate to leave early if you really want. "Im going to give two months". But, if you just walk out you didnt mean your contractual obligations and that could have ramifications.
That's more what I'm used to seeing!
This is just something that is not typical in the US.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Do you generally only give 2 weeks notice in the US?
Almost universally. It's so common as to border on being a law. "Giving your notice" refers to two weeks of warning. It's ridiculous because employers never give the same notice, it's a "social custom" designed to punish employees and reward employers and people have gone along with it to the point of it being essentially required. If you fail to do it, your employer will give you a bad reference and simply say you didn't give notice and makes it hard to get hired somewhere else. It's unspoken and just assumed, there are really no exceptions to it short of medical or emergency issues.
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@Harry-Lui said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Finish up all the documents that you don't already have.
Copy all documents and passwords into a flash drive.
Hand it to her and walk out.And only if all of this can be done in two weeks. If it takes more than that, too bad. Just make sure that they have the passwords.
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@WLS-ITGuy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Carnival-Boy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Do you generally only give 2 weeks notice in the US?
Depends on the state. Wisconsin is a "hire at will" state. Technically no notice is needed but it is ideal to give 2 weeks.
No state has a law requiring notice. It's not a law, it's a custom that is almost worse than a law because it is enforced capriciously and secretly.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@WLS-ITGuy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
@Carnival-Boy said in Finally leaving my job, and it's just as annoying as I thought it would be:
Do you generally only give 2 weeks notice in the US?
Depends on the state. Wisconsin is a "hire at will" state. Technically no notice is needed but it is ideal to give 2 weeks.
Wow. That must make succession planning a nightmare. I have to give 3 months notice, which is the norm in the UK.
Not really, since you have to have already planned for disasters like getting hit by a bus, there should be no need for a succession plan. How would your company handle you getting sick or something? Same thing, US companies are ready for that. So people quitting isn't a real fear to any functional company. It's not ideal, but not a serious risk.
Most US companies demand that you not even come into work for the last two weeks because you are no longer someone that they want to trust or invest in. In banking, for example, you are generally done (but paid) from the moment you give notice. You give notice and security escorts you to your desk to clean it out and to the door to go home, that's it. You don't get one minute at your computer again.
