file sharing in the 21st century
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@travisdh1 said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@coliver said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Obsolesce said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
CAD files
You don't want to sync this stuff. It's bad for this type.
We have the same thing here, and have tried some things in testing. Large drawings pulling sometimes hundreds or thousands of other drawings to make it. It needs to be on-prem, and should not be synchronized with anything. It's a catastrophe waiting to happen. NC/OneDrive/etc... that type of thing is NOT for this type of files.
the problem we currently have is that these files are all sitting on local machines only, until the project is finished and it is loaded onto the server. Network performance even on 1gbps just can't cut it. Plus, I am not and have no plans to do any backups of individual workstations, the plan is to get it all on the server somehow. My NC is on prem though, at least for one of my locations.
What CAD suite are you using? Time to start looking at their native server system. Dessault and Autodesk both have something to manage this. It isn't inexpensive but would be better then just SMB.
Yes, exactly. CAD programs all have a proper tool to manage this stuff, use the native one.
The "Proper tools" still wont work for us
That means that the CAD application doesn't work. At that point, it kind of becomes a combination of the app and use case's fault
If the proper tools can't do it, you can be pretty sure that general purpose ones aren't going to improve on that.
We can make improvements, but nothing is going to fit us like a glove. I accept that.
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@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@travisdh1 said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@coliver said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Obsolesce said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
CAD files
You don't want to sync this stuff. It's bad for this type.
We have the same thing here, and have tried some things in testing. Large drawings pulling sometimes hundreds or thousands of other drawings to make it. It needs to be on-prem, and should not be synchronized with anything. It's a catastrophe waiting to happen. NC/OneDrive/etc... that type of thing is NOT for this type of files.
the problem we currently have is that these files are all sitting on local machines only, until the project is finished and it is loaded onto the server. Network performance even on 1gbps just can't cut it. Plus, I am not and have no plans to do any backups of individual workstations, the plan is to get it all on the server somehow. My NC is on prem though, at least for one of my locations.
What CAD suite are you using? Time to start looking at their native server system. Dessault and Autodesk both have something to manage this. It isn't inexpensive but would be better then just SMB.
Yes, exactly. CAD programs all have a proper tool to manage this stuff, use the native one.
The "Proper tools" still wont work for us
Then they need to find a different CAD application, or get management to do their jobs and make the people do the job. I'd expect any user doing CAD drawings to know about checking files in and out. No technological solution exists that can help with that.
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There is a LOT more to a CAD system then just check in and check out. It's the other bits that don't work well for us.
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@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
There is a LOT more to a CAD system then just check in and check out. It's the other bits that don't work well for us.
Yes, but in theory, enough parts should work to make it good
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
There is a LOT more to a CAD system then just check in and check out. It's the other bits that don't work well for us.
Yes, but in theory, enough $$$ should work to make it good
FIFY
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@scottalanmiller said in file sharing in the 21st century:
@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
There is a LOT more to a CAD system then just check in and check out. It's the other bits that don't work well for us.
Yes, but in theory, enough parts should work to make it good
Yes. This sounds like you were trying to make your company a snowflake and you were the only people that ever do this. You’re using a fucking cad program FFS. it’s normal use the tools like they’re meant to be used.
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@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
would sharepoint be any better from this standpoint?
LOL, no. All the same caveats, and loads more. Like cost, complexity, etc.
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yeah, it might be back to the drawing board for me. I will really think about separating our the storage, based on purpose.
On a side note, I am going to be spinning up a NC for personal use at home, it will work great for me in that regard.
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@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
yeah, it might be back to the drawing board for me. I will really think about separating our the storage, based on purpose.
That's generally what we do. NC is just for the office docs, live notes, and the "dumping ground" for other stuff. It's perfect for the tasks it is meant for, even live editing built in (more or less). And it is about the best "dumping ground" place for everything else.
But for special things, you want a custom app and database (which might just be a file system) to handle the unique needs.
This "dumping ground" thing applies to file systems, too. Most filesystems, especially the ones that we know commonly, are exactly that... just places to dump whatever. They aren't specialized and hence they come with loads of limitations. Anything that dumps to a filesystem whether it be DropBox, SMB, NC, NFS, you name it... has the limitation of the general purpose "dumping ground" at the end of the day.
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Why do you want to move away from your Windows Server so badly? You don't mention anything (that I can see), other than broadening your horizons. It's probably the best bet for your CAD files.
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@bnrstnr said in file sharing in the 21st century:
Why do you want to move away from your Windows Server so badly? You don't mention anything (that I can see), other than broadening your horizons. It's probably the best bet for your CAD files.
a list of benefits that we would get from something like NC:
- no MS licensing dependencies
- good remote access
- versioning
- the ability to share with outside parties or have them upload to us
- better searching
- tags
There is probably more I forgot.
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@Donahue said in file sharing in the 21st century:
There is a LOT more to a CAD system then just check in and check out. It's the other bits that don't work well for us.
So you're a snowflake company that the specializes tools, that do way more then just check in and check out, won't work for?
Sounds like you have a bad implementation to me. I've been part of this battle before with engineers. Get one of the savvy ones on board and the rest will follow.
