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    • AdamFA
      AdamF
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      Technical sounding board requested.....

      So I have a server that will have 10 TB of usable space on it that can be used as a backup server. This will be a backup target for Veeam to backup a few VMs from a Hyper-V host. My initial plan was to install Hyper-V server on the backup server, and then create a large VM for Veeam. That way, I can utilize the backup server as a backup target, but it could also act as a secondary Hyper-V host in case something goes wrong with the main host.

      The other option could be to just install something like Fedora, on the backup server directly (no Hyper-V) and have it be simply a storage target.

      Thoughts?

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      • scottalanmillerS
        scottalanmiller
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        Using Hyper-V like that is often the best way to go with Veeam.

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        • AdamFA
          AdamF @scottalanmiller
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          @scottalanmiller said in Backup server - Software layout:

          Using Hyper-V like that is often the best way to go with Veeam.

          Great. Just wanted to bounce that off of someone else.

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          • hobbit666H
            hobbit666
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            Funny enough I was going to ask a similar question about veeam.

            So install Hyper-V onto the raid. Create a VM with one VHDK for OS and Veeam software. Then a big one for the repository?

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              Alex Sage
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              Since you will have Hyper-V on both boxes you could do replication as well as backups.

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                Alex Sage
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                Also, you could use Hyper-V Replica, or Veeam for Replication.

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                • BRRABillB
                  BRRABill
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                  What OS requirements does the Veeam software have in that scenario?

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                    Alex Sage @BRRABill
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                    @brrabill said in Backup server - Software layout:

                    What OS requirements does the Veeam software have in that scenario?

                    https://helpcenter.veeam.com/docs/backup/hyperv/platform_support.html?ver=95

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                    • BRRABillB
                      BRRABill
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                      Ah, the Fedora mention above threw me off. (I see now it was mentioned purely as a repository.)

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch @Alex Sage
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                        @aaronstuder said in Backup server - Software layout:

                        Also, you could use Hyper-V Replica, or Veeam for Replication.

                        Could, but Hyper-V Replication requires SA.

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                        • AdamFA
                          AdamF @Alex Sage
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                          @aaronstuder I could. For now, I think I would just do backups only.

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                          • ObsolesceO
                            Obsolesce @JaredBusch
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                            @jaredbusch said in Backup server - Software layout:

                            @aaronstuder said in Backup server - Software layout:

                            Also, you could use Hyper-V Replica, or Veeam for Replication.

                            Could, but Hyper-V Replication requires SA.

                            Thought we got to the bottom of that before in a large discussion... replication does NOT require SA; replication requires nothing, only a license to cover the VM and hardware on which you turn on the replica.

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                            • ObsolesceO
                              Obsolesce @AdamF
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                              @fuznutz04 said in Backup server - Software layout:

                              Technical sounding board requested.....

                              So I have a server that will have 10 TB of usable space on it that can be used as a backup server. This will be a backup target for Veeam to backup a few VMs from a Hyper-V host. My initial plan was to install Hyper-V server on the backup server, and then create a large VM for Veeam. That way, I can utilize the backup server as a backup target, but it could also act as a secondary Hyper-V host in case something goes wrong with the main host.

                              The other option could be to just install something like Fedora, on the backup server directly (no Hyper-V) and have it be simply a storage target.

                              Thoughts?

                              I ended up not going that route.

                              I installed Windows Server 2016 Standard with GUI on bare-metal becasue I was going to plug in a 32TB MD1000 and plug in a tape drive.

                              But I didn't. So it's just a little physical box now with some unused internal storage chugging away backups.

                              I plan on running Disk2VHD and doing what you mentioned. In my case, I'm not using storage or other media attached to physical Veeam backup server.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch @Obsolesce
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                                @obsolesce said in Backup server - Software layout:

                                @jaredbusch said in Backup server - Software layout:

                                @aaronstuder said in Backup server - Software layout:

                                Also, you could use Hyper-V Replica, or Veeam for Replication.

                                Could, but Hyper-V Replication requires SA.

                                Thought we got to the bottom of that before in a large discussion... replication does NOT require SA; replication requires nothing, only a license to cover the VM and hardware on which you turn on the replica.

                                We did.
                                Hyper-V Replication requires SA. Replication from some other tool does not.

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                                • ObsolesceO
                                  Obsolesce @JaredBusch
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                                  @jaredbusch said in Backup server - Software layout:

                                  @obsolesce said in Backup server - Software layout:

                                  @jaredbusch said in Backup server - Software layout:

                                  @aaronstuder said in Backup server - Software layout:

                                  Also, you could use Hyper-V Replica, or Veeam for Replication.

                                  Could, but Hyper-V Replication requires SA.

                                  Thought we got to the bottom of that before in a large discussion... replication does NOT require SA; replication requires nothing, only a license to cover the VM and hardware on which you turn on the replica.

                                  We did.
                                  Hyper-V Replication requires SA. Replication from some other tool does not.

                                  No we went over this. Everything SA-related was in regards to the disaster recovery benefit, nothing at all to do with Hyper-V Replication.

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                                  • hobbit666H
                                    hobbit666
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                                    So i'm going to try Veeam to see how it works. I'll be trying with both ESXi and Hyper-V, but i guess the concept for the backup server will be the same.

                                    My question is how to setup the backup server.

                                    Guess install a hypervisor on the bare metal, like Hyper-V.

                                    Then what?
                                    Scenario 1 - Create a VM with 2 VMDKs.. One VMDK (C: Drive) for Windows 201X on and install Veeam backup and replication, then have a 2nd VMDK (backup drive) to store the backup files?
                                    Scenario 2 - Create a VM with one VMDK for Windows + Veeam B&R. Then create a 2nd VM with either Linux or Windows that will have a single VMDK with a share that VM1 will see to store the backups?

                                    Or just install Windows direct onto the bare metail and split the raid into 😄 drive and large backup drive?

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                                    • jt1001001J
                                      jt1001001
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                                      Watching this thread as I just acquired a Dell R510 loaded with 2TB spinning rust drives, perfect for a backup target

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                                      • AdamFA
                                        AdamF @hobbit666
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                                        @hobbit666 said in Backup server - Software layout:

                                        VMDKs.. One VMDK (C: Drive) for Windows 201X on and install Veeam backup and replication, then have a 2nd VMD

                                        I would go for either scenario 1, or scenario 1 using just 1 large VMDK for the entire thing. However, I too am looking for opinions as well.

                                        I would not install Windows direct in my case, since I want to install a Hypervisor on the bare metal.

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                                        • JaredBuschJ
                                          JaredBusch @hobbit666
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                                          @hobbit666 Scenario 1. It keeps your data in an easily portable vmdk/vhdx that you can reattach anywhere in case of VM guest failure.

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                                          • hobbit666H
                                            hobbit666 @JaredBusch
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                                            @jaredbusch
                                            That's what i was leaning towards 🙂

                                            Just need so time now to start the trail, might but it off for a few weeks while i re-configure some sites.

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