Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.
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I've got a client who has about 1.2TB of data and is currently using Backup Exec as their backup solution. They run full backups every night and take each backup tape (yes tapes!) offsite once backup is complete. It's time to change their backup solution since the business has grown and it now takes like 21 hours to run their backup. I was thinking of some sort of NAS, but they still want to take their backups offsite like they do with their tapes. Any suggestions?
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@fredtx said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
I've got a client who has about 1.2TB of data and is currently using Backup Exec as their backup solution. They run full backups every night and take each backup tape (yes tapes!) offsite once backup is complete. It's time to change their backup solution since the business has grown and it now takes like 21 hours to run their backup. I was thinking of some sort of NAS, but they still want to take their backups offsite like they do with their tapes. Any suggestions?
Have you mentioned a cloud backup solution BackBlaze's B2 solution may be good for them?
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actually you should keep your backups both in and out of your facilities.
then, what kind of topology do you have? are you backing up clients or is this a database?!
which price range? you are talking about NASes. If you mean those "cheap" appliances I think you can think about a cloud solution like ...hey @coliver just give me the time to answer!
+1 for backblaze B2, just thinking about same thing. It has retention therefore you can backup stuff and keep copies
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if your data are highly compressible just compress them and backup with stuff like veeam agent on a local proxy and then push on B2 without retention (veeam will keep retention)
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@coliver said in [Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.]
Have you mentioned a cloud backup solution BackBlaze's B2 solution may be good for them?
This would be a go to solution. Of course changing their backup appliance (Backup Exec) would likely be required. Running daily fulls is just a bit insane, what kind of retention is the client keeping the dailies around for?
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@dustinb3403 said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@coliver said in [Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.]
Have you mentioned a cloud backup solution BackBlaze's B2 solution may be good for them?
This would be a go to solution. Of course changing their backup appliance (Backup Exec) would likely be required. Running daily fulls is just a bit insane, what kind of retention is the client keeping the dailies around for?
They probably have an ancient version of backup exec.
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In most cases like this, faster tape is really just the best answer.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
then, what kind of topology do you have? are you backing up clients or is this a database?!
which price range? you are talking about NASes. If you mean those "cheap" appliances I think you can think about a cloud solution like ...Only their Database. This is a business in the Dental industry so most data is documents, xray images, sql database, etc. I believe cloud backup has been mentioned to customer, but they are considering the cost. I will check on the retention settings.
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Another common option is adding a cache layer. D2D2T. Add a NAS between the servers and the tape. Then you can backup quickly to a local spot, then backup to tape from there and you don't care how long that takes. Then they can take the tape offsite same as always.
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@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
Another common option is adding a cache layer. D2D2T. Add a NAS between the servers and the tape. Then you can backup quickly to a local spot, then backup to tape from there and you don't care how long that takes. Then they can take the tape offsite same as always.
Is there a particular application you recommend that would perform this task?
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@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
In most cases like this, faster tape is really just the best answer.
This was my first thinking upon reading this thread.
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@fredtx said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
Another common option is adding a cache layer. D2D2T. Add a NAS between the servers and the tape. Then you can backup quickly to a local spot, then backup to tape from there and you don't care how long that takes. Then they can take the tape offsite same as always.
Is there a particular application you recommend that would perform this task?
Pretty sure Veeam can do this.
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@fredtx said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
Another common option is adding a cache layer. D2D2T. Add a NAS between the servers and the tape. Then you can backup quickly to a local spot, then backup to tape from there and you don't care how long that takes. Then they can take the tape offsite same as always.
Is there a particular application you recommend that would perform this task?
Any modern, enterprise backup system will do this, it's very standard as it is basically needed for some tapes otherwise they "shine" too easily. Veeam, BE, ArcServer, Netbackup, they all do it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@fredtx said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
Another common option is adding a cache layer. D2D2T. Add a NAS between the servers and the tape. Then you can backup quickly to a local spot, then backup to tape from there and you don't care how long that takes. Then they can take the tape offsite same as always.
Is there a particular application you recommend that would perform this task?
Any modern, enterprise backup system will do this, it's very standard as it is basically needed for some tapes otherwise they "shine" too easily. Veeam, BE, ArcServer, Netbackup, they all do it.
Can you define what shine means?
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@dustinb3403 said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@fredtx said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
Another common option is adding a cache layer. D2D2T. Add a NAS between the servers and the tape. Then you can backup quickly to a local spot, then backup to tape from there and you don't care how long that takes. Then they can take the tape offsite same as always.
Is there a particular application you recommend that would perform this task?
Any modern, enterprise backup system will do this, it's very standard as it is basically needed for some tapes otherwise they "shine" too easily. Veeam, BE, ArcServer, Netbackup, they all do it.
Can you define what shine means?
Shine is when the tape can't move past the tape head at a constant full-speed rate and the tape head spins against a single spot on the tape longer than other parts causing it to "shoe shine" it, by rubbing that one spot over and over wearing it out.
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@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@dustinb3403 said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@fredtx said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
Another common option is adding a cache layer. D2D2T. Add a NAS between the servers and the tape. Then you can backup quickly to a local spot, then backup to tape from there and you don't care how long that takes. Then they can take the tape offsite same as always.
Is there a particular application you recommend that would perform this task?
Any modern, enterprise backup system will do this, it's very standard as it is basically needed for some tapes otherwise they "shine" too easily. Veeam, BE, ArcServer, Netbackup, they all do it.
Can you define what shine means?
Shine is when the tape can't move past the tape head at a constant full-speed rate and the tape head spins against a single spot on the tape longer than other parts causing it to "shoe shine" it, by rubbing that one spot over and over wearing it out.
Thanks.
How would someone know if a tape is beginning to shine?
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@dustinb3403 said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@dustinb3403 said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@fredtx said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@scottalanmiller said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
Another common option is adding a cache layer. D2D2T. Add a NAS between the servers and the tape. Then you can backup quickly to a local spot, then backup to tape from there and you don't care how long that takes. Then they can take the tape offsite same as always.
Is there a particular application you recommend that would perform this task?
Any modern, enterprise backup system will do this, it's very standard as it is basically needed for some tapes otherwise they "shine" too easily. Veeam, BE, ArcServer, Netbackup, they all do it.
Can you define what shine means?
Shine is when the tape can't move past the tape head at a constant full-speed rate and the tape head spins against a single spot on the tape longer than other parts causing it to "shoe shine" it, by rubbing that one spot over and over wearing it out.
Thanks.
How would someone know if a tape is beginning to shine?
Well if you don't have D2D2T, assume that it is. Almost nothing can send to tape fast enough to avoid it with modern tape systems.
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Veeam does have tape library integration, but I am not sure how it works with the agent side of things. I am assuming nothing is virtualized in this scenario. It also has integration with Starwind and Amazon S3/Glacier VTL.
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@wrx7m said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
Veeam does have tape library integration, but I am not sure how it works with the agent side of things. I am assuming nothing is virtualized in this scenario. It also has integration with Starwind and Amazon S3/Glacier VTL.
Agents work the same as long as you are using the paid console based version.
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@fredtx - Are the tapes meant for long term archiving or just to take a copy offsite?
Some NAS models like Synology and Qnap have a copy button feature on the front for syncing data to a usb drive. Maybe they could use Veeam Endpoint for the initial backup to the NAS and then the copy button for a second copy to take offsite on the usb drive.
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@syko24 said in Any recommendations for new backup solution? Client wants to take backup copies offsite.:
@fredtx - Are the tapes meant for long term archiving or just to take a copy offsite?
Some NAS models like Synology and Qnap have a copy button feature on the front for syncing data to a usb drive. Maybe they could use Veeam Endpoint for the initial backup to the NAS and then the copy button for a second copy to take offsite on the usb drive
Actually, one of my colleagues mentioned that today. We are looking at implementing a Qnap, but are unsure how well it would copy over the security permissions from the servers to the Qnap.
