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      Obsolesce @JaredBusch
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      @jaredbusch said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

      @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

      @jaredbusch said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

      @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

      Step 1: On your KVM host, run the following command:
      ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "KVM01_Root_SSHKey"
      Step 2: On your desktop/vm used to manage the KVM host, run the following command:
      ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "PCName_userName_SSHKey"

      Why are you doing this? You want some specific thing? Because the act of having SSH on your system generates a key. Are defaults not good enough for you.

      Definitely not in this case. I always prefer to use RSA 4096...

      But you are over complicating this also. For what reason? Just because you want a 4096 key over a 2048?

      0_1512759559881_Screenshot from 2017-12-08 10-58-56.png

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        stacksofplates @Obsolesce
        last edited by

        @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

        Wtf is going on here... everyone is making it so difficult... it's not!

        Step 1: On your KVM host, run the following command:
        ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "KVM01_Root_SSHKey"

        Step 2: On your desktop/vm used to manage the KVM host, run the following command:
        ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "PCName_userName_SSHKey"

        Step 3: On your desktop/VM, copy your public key:
        cat /home/username/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
        ...then copy it.

        Step 4: On your KVM Host, paste what you copy in Step 3 into the file here:
        vi /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
        ...then save the file.

        Step 5: On your desktop/VM using virt-manager, add the server like below... type in the host name then click connect.
        No password required.

        https://i.imgur.com/KkiIorg.png

        But see doing it this way has skipped a bunch of stuff that ssh-copy-id does. This will end up with more questions later on.

        I would be willing to be dollars to donuts if someone uses this they will have to change permissions on that authorized_keys file because it's not created by defualt.

        Seriously just generate the key (RSA is the default):

        ssh-keygen -b 4096
        

        and copy to the server:

        ssh-copy-id user@server
        

        Make sure the user on the server is in the libvirt group and use that user in Virt-Manager.

        Done.

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          Obsolesce @stacksofplates
          last edited by Obsolesce

          @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

          @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

          Wtf is going on here... everyone is making it so difficult... it's not!

          Step 1: On your KVM host, run the following command:
          ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "KVM01_Root_SSHKey"

          Step 2: On your desktop/vm used to manage the KVM host, run the following command:
          ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "PCName_userName_SSHKey"

          Step 3: On your desktop/VM, copy your public key:
          cat /home/username/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
          ...then copy it.

          Step 4: On your KVM Host, paste what you copy in Step 3 into the file here:
          vi /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
          ...then save the file.

          Step 5: On your desktop/VM using virt-manager, add the server like below... type in the host name then click connect.
          No password required.

          https://i.imgur.com/KkiIorg.png

          But see doing it this way has skipped a bunch of stuff that ssh-copy-id does. This will end up with more questions later on.

          I would be willing to be dollars to donuts if someone uses this they will have to change permissions on that authorized_keys file because it's not created by defualt.

          Seriously just generate the key (RSA is the default):

          ssh-keygen -b 4096
          

          and copy to the server:

          ssh-copy-id user@server
          

          Yes, but this assumes you've already got SSH going and unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id to the server. This isn't the case for me.

          But you are right, generally the ssh-copy-id is the way to go as I suppose I'm the only one here who does things securely, or this is done before securing SSH on the server.

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            stacksofplates @Obsolesce
            last edited by

            @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

            @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

            @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

            Wtf is going on here... everyone is making it so difficult... it's not!

            Step 1: On your KVM host, run the following command:
            ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "KVM01_Root_SSHKey"

            Step 2: On your desktop/vm used to manage the KVM host, run the following command:
            ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "PCName_userName_SSHKey"

            Step 3: On your desktop/VM, copy your public key:
            cat /home/username/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
            ...then copy it.

            Step 4: On your KVM Host, paste what you copy in Step 3 into the file here:
            vi /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
            ...then save the file.

            Step 5: On your desktop/VM using virt-manager, add the server like below... type in the host name then click connect.
            No password required.

            https://i.imgur.com/KkiIorg.png

            But see doing it this way has skipped a bunch of stuff that ssh-copy-id does. This will end up with more questions later on.

            I would be willing to be dollars to donuts if someone uses this they will have to change permissions on that authorized_keys file because it's not created by defualt.

            Seriously just generate the key (RSA is the default):

            ssh-keygen -b 4096
            

            and copy to the server:

            ssh-copy-id user@server
            

            Yes, but this assumes you've already got SSH going and unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id to the server. This isn't the case for me.

            But you are right, generally the ssh-copy-id is the way to go as I suppose I'm the only one here who does things securely, or this is done before securing SSH on the server.

            hahahahaha. Wtf are you talking about. What does "unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id" possibly mean?

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              StorageNinja Vendor @stacksofplates
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              @stacksofplates I can break your 4096 bit encryption with $5.
              If your worried about state-level actors you have bigger concerns 🙂

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                Obsolesce
                last edited by Obsolesce

                @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                Wtf is going on here... everyone is making it so difficult... it's not!

                Step 1: On your KVM host, run the following command:
                ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "KVM01_Root_SSHKey"

                Step 2: On your desktop/vm used to manage the KVM host, run the following command:
                ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "PCName_userName_SSHKey"

                Step 3: On your desktop/VM, copy your public key:
                cat /home/username/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
                ...then copy it.

                Step 4: On your KVM Host, paste what you copy in Step 3 into the file here:
                vi /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
                ...then save the file.

                Step 5: On your desktop/VM using virt-manager, add the server like below... type in the host name then click connect.
                No password required.

                https://i.imgur.com/KkiIorg.png

                But see doing it this way has skipped a bunch of stuff that ssh-copy-id does. This will end up with more questions later on.

                I would be willing to be dollars to donuts if someone uses this they will have to change permissions on that authorized_keys file because it's not created by defualt.

                Seriously just generate the key (RSA is the default):

                ssh-keygen -b 4096
                

                and copy to the server:

                ssh-copy-id user@server
                

                Yes, but this assumes you've already got SSH going and unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id to the server. This isn't the case for me.

                But you are right, generally the ssh-copy-id is the way to go as I suppose I'm the only one here who does things securely, or this is done before securing SSH on the server.

                hahahahaha. Wtf are you talking about. What does "unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id" possibly mean?

                When I try to do a ssh-copy-id to my servers, I get this:

                Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
                

                This is expected, as I do not allow root logon, I do not allow password auth, and only allow RSA key based authentication.

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                  Obsolesce @StorageNinja
                  last edited by

                  @storageninja said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                  @stacksofplates I can break your 4096 bit encryption with $5.
                  If your worried about state-level actors you have bigger concerns 🙂

                  Challenge accepted.

                  Pst me your email and I'll give you a key to break.

                  Leave me an audit trail so I can confirm.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch
                    last edited by

                    @DustinB3403

                    I use my user in the libvirt group so I do not have to bother with the root user.

                    gpasswd -a jbusch libvirt
                    

                    Then this works.
                    0_1512760351248_a5ddf1f5-ef56-46e1-b1a7-f9593c68a19c-image.png

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                    • scottalanmillerS
                      scottalanmiller @Obsolesce
                      last edited by

                      @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                      When I try to do a ssh-copy-id to my servers, I get this:

                      Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
                      

                      This is expected, as I do not allow root logon, I do not allow password auth, and only allow RSA key based authentication.

                      @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                      @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                      @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                      @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                      Wtf is going on here... everyone is making it so difficult... it's not!

                      Step 1: On your KVM host, run the following command:
                      ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "KVM01_Root_SSHKey"

                      Step 2: On your desktop/vm used to manage the KVM host, run the following command:
                      ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "PCName_userName_SSHKey"

                      Step 3: On your desktop/VM, copy your public key:
                      cat /home/username/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
                      ...then copy it.

                      Step 4: On your KVM Host, paste what you copy in Step 3 into the file here:
                      vi /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
                      ...then save the file.

                      Step 5: On your desktop/VM using virt-manager, add the server like below... type in the host name then click connect.
                      No password required.

                      https://i.imgur.com/KkiIorg.png

                      But see doing it this way has skipped a bunch of stuff that ssh-copy-id does. This will end up with more questions later on.

                      I would be willing to be dollars to donuts if someone uses this they will have to change permissions on that authorized_keys file because it's not created by defualt.

                      Seriously just generate the key (RSA is the default):

                      ssh-keygen -b 4096
                      

                      and copy to the server:

                      ssh-copy-id user@server
                      

                      Yes, but this assumes you've already got SSH going and unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id to the server. This isn't the case for me.

                      But you are right, generally the ssh-copy-id is the way to go as I suppose I'm the only one here who does things securely, or this is done before securing SSH on the server.

                      hahahahaha. Wtf are you talking about. What does "unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id" possibly mean?

                      How did you get into that state? How do the initial keys get there?

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                        stacksofplates @Obsolesce
                        last edited by

                        @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                        When I try to do a ssh-copy-id to my servers, I get this:

                        Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
                        

                        This is expected, as I do not allow root logon, I do not allow password auth, and only allow RSA key based authentication.

                        Ok? We are talking about an initial hypervisor setup. Passwords are enabled by default. You copy your key, then shut the passwords off. Idk what the eff is going on here.....

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                          stacksofplates @JaredBusch
                          last edited by

                          @jaredbusch said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                          @DustinB3403

                          I use my user in the libvirt group so I do not have to bother with the root user.

                          gpasswd -a jbusch libvirt
                          

                          Then this works.
                          0_1512760351248_a5ddf1f5-ef56-46e1-b1a7-f9593c68a19c-image.png

                          Ya idk where the root thing came from.

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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch @stacksofplates
                            last edited by

                            @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                            Idk what the eff is going on here.....

                            Overcomplication of course.

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                              stacksofplates @StorageNinja
                              last edited by

                              @storageninja said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                              @stacksofplates I can break your 4096 bit encryption with $5.
                              If your worried about state-level actors you have bigger concerns 🙂

                              I'm not worried about anything. I'm not the one that said anything about key security

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                                Obsolesce @scottalanmiller
                                last edited by

                                @scottalanmiller said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                When I try to do a ssh-copy-id to my servers, I get this:

                                Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
                                

                                This is expected, as I do not allow root logon, I do not allow password auth, and only allow RSA key based authentication.

                                @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                Wtf is going on here... everyone is making it so difficult... it's not!

                                Step 1: On your KVM host, run the following command:
                                ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "KVM01_Root_SSHKey"

                                Step 2: On your desktop/vm used to manage the KVM host, run the following command:
                                ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "PCName_userName_SSHKey"

                                Step 3: On your desktop/VM, copy your public key:
                                cat /home/username/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
                                ...then copy it.

                                Step 4: On your KVM Host, paste what you copy in Step 3 into the file here:
                                vi /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
                                ...then save the file.

                                Step 5: On your desktop/VM using virt-manager, add the server like below... type in the host name then click connect.
                                No password required.

                                https://i.imgur.com/KkiIorg.png

                                But see doing it this way has skipped a bunch of stuff that ssh-copy-id does. This will end up with more questions later on.

                                I would be willing to be dollars to donuts if someone uses this they will have to change permissions on that authorized_keys file because it's not created by defualt.

                                Seriously just generate the key (RSA is the default):

                                ssh-keygen -b 4096
                                

                                and copy to the server:

                                ssh-copy-id user@server
                                

                                Yes, but this assumes you've already got SSH going and unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id to the server. This isn't the case for me.

                                But you are right, generally the ssh-copy-id is the way to go as I suppose I'm the only one here who does things securely, or this is done before securing SSH on the server.

                                hahahahaha. Wtf are you talking about. What does "unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id" possibly mean?

                                How did you get into that state? How do the initial keys get there?

                                Salt.

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                                  mattbagan @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  @jaredbusch said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                  @DustinB3403

                                  I use my user in the libvirt group so I do not have to bother with the root user.

                                  gpasswd -a jbusch libvirt
                                  

                                  Then this works.
                                  0_1512760351248_a5ddf1f5-ef56-46e1-b1a7-f9593c68a19c-image.png

                                  Never tried it that way. I've always used:
                                  usermod -a -G libvirt <username>

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                                    stacksofplates @Obsolesce
                                    last edited by

                                    @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                    @scottalanmiller said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                    @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                    When I try to do a ssh-copy-id to my servers, I get this:

                                    Permission denied (publickey,gssapi-keyex,gssapi-with-mic).
                                    

                                    This is expected, as I do not allow root logon, I do not allow password auth, and only allow RSA key based authentication.

                                    @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                    @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                    @stacksofplates said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                    @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                    Wtf is going on here... everyone is making it so difficult... it's not!

                                    Step 1: On your KVM host, run the following command:
                                    ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "KVM01_Root_SSHKey"

                                    Step 2: On your desktop/vm used to manage the KVM host, run the following command:
                                    ssh-keygen -t rsa -b 4096 -C "PCName_userName_SSHKey"

                                    Step 3: On your desktop/VM, copy your public key:
                                    cat /home/username/.ssh/id_rsa.pub
                                    ...then copy it.

                                    Step 4: On your KVM Host, paste what you copy in Step 3 into the file here:
                                    vi /root/.ssh/authorized_keys
                                    ...then save the file.

                                    Step 5: On your desktop/VM using virt-manager, add the server like below... type in the host name then click connect.
                                    No password required.

                                    https://i.imgur.com/KkiIorg.png

                                    But see doing it this way has skipped a bunch of stuff that ssh-copy-id does. This will end up with more questions later on.

                                    I would be willing to be dollars to donuts if someone uses this they will have to change permissions on that authorized_keys file because it's not created by defualt.

                                    Seriously just generate the key (RSA is the default):

                                    ssh-keygen -b 4096
                                    

                                    and copy to the server:

                                    ssh-copy-id user@server
                                    

                                    Yes, but this assumes you've already got SSH going and unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id to the server. This isn't the case for me.

                                    But you are right, generally the ssh-copy-id is the way to go as I suppose I'm the only one here who does things securely, or this is done before securing SSH on the server.

                                    hahahahaha. Wtf are you talking about. What does "unsecure enough to do a ssh-copy-id" possibly mean?

                                    How did you get into that state? How do the initial keys get there?

                                    Salt.

                                    On a physical hypervisor initial install. How do you do that?

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                                      JaredBusch @mattbagan
                                      last edited by

                                      @mattbagan said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                      Never tried it that way. I've always used:
                                      usermod -a -G libvirt <username>

                                      both ways get the same job done.

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                                        StorageNinja Vendor @Obsolesce
                                        last edited by StorageNinja

                                        @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                        @storageninja said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                        @stacksofplates I can break your 4096 bit encryption with $5.
                                        If your worried about state-level actors you have bigger concerns 🙂

                                        Challenge accepted.

                                        Pst me your email and I'll give you a key to break.

                                        Leave me an audit trail so I can confirm.

                                        I assume you'll just ship me a beer and call it even?

                                        https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png

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                                          Obsolesce @StorageNinja
                                          last edited by

                                          @storageninja said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                          @tim_g said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                          @storageninja said in KVM - Virt-Manager on a Separate VM:

                                          @stacksofplates I can break your 4096 bit encryption with $5.
                                          If your worried about state-level actors you have bigger concerns 🙂

                                          Challenge accepted.

                                          Pst me your email and I'll give you a key to break.

                                          Leave me an audit trail so I can confirm.

                                          I assume you'll just ship me a beer and call it even?

                                          https://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/security.png

                                          Ha, sounds good.

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                                            scottalanmiller
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                                            Who spends $5 on a wrench?

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