HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?
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@tim_g said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
No choice was given in the first place.
Tomato Tomahto
I can easily say people had a choice to not have auto-updates on. It's just as much "missing a checkbox" when Chrome got installed. I had choices in both cases, I "missed an option" in both cases. I could have prevented it in both cases if I paid more attention or changed a setting.
This is splitting hairs. HP did not hack into computers and install things without permission. It was a freaking Windows update.
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@guyinpv said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@tim_g said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
No choice was given in the first place.
Tomato Tomahto
I can easily say people had a choice to not have auto-updates on. It's just as much "missing a checkbox" when Chrome got installed. I had choices in both cases, I "missed an option" in both cases. I could have prevented it in both cases if I paid more attention or changed a setting.
This is splitting hairs. HP did not hack into computers and install things without permission. It was a freaking Windows update.
No. It is very far from the same thing.
HP did exactly what Scott mentioned here:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
This is wrong. We know three key things...
It was installed without permission.
It was run without permission.
It is stealing data without permission.Those are the things we know. I've seen nothing that gives any reason to question any of those. And we know this not only from the news, but first hand accounts, even here in ML.
Everything else you are comparing it against is the opposite.
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See more updates on this:
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/hp-touchpoint-analytics-controversySee also HP on this:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/post/7408989 -
@dbeato said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
See more updates on this:
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/hp-touchpoint-analytics-controversySee also HP on this:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/post/7408989So HP claims that everyone opted in to this, which is possible, but goes against what the reports are saying.
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So what's the current verdict?
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@dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
So what's the current verdict?
He said, she said. Customers are saying it is running without permission, HP says that they were given permission.
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@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@dbeato said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
See more updates on this:
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/hp-touchpoint-analytics-controversySee also HP on this:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/post/7408989So HP claims that everyone opted in to this, which is possible, but goes against what the reports are saying.
Right - so who do you trust? There have been so many security reports lately, that it seems almost like security research firms are now making headlines to bring attention to their businesses.
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@dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@dbeato said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
See more updates on this:
https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/hp-touchpoint-analytics-controversySee also HP on this:
https://community.spiceworks.com/topic/post/7408989So HP claims that everyone opted in to this, which is possible, but goes against what the reports are saying.
Right - so who do you trust? There have been so many security reports lately, that it seems almost like security research firms are now making headlines to bring attention to their businesses.
Except it is also reported by ML community members, whom I trust more than I trust HP.
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I don't trust hardware manufacturers to write good software. I trust them to make good hardware.
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@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
So what's the current verdict?
He said, she said. Customers are saying it is running without permission, HP says that they were given permission.
So there's no verdict. At least with Lenovo - they flat out denied it only to have it proven, and then a quiet back-peddle driver update from Lenovo.
I guess there hasn't been enough time to independently test this yet? -
From that article: "However, we checked in Windows 10's Task Manager on our Spectre x360, and it revealed that HP Touchpoint Analytics Client used a measly 24 MB of RAM, while zero burden was placed on CPU and network."
Measily 24MB? Um, you can fit nearly a whole modern OS into that size!
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@momurda said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
I don't trust hardware manufacturers to write good software. I trust them to make good hardware.
That, too.
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@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@momurda said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
I don't trust hardware manufacturers to write good software. I trust them to make good hardware.
That, too.
This really doesn't compute to me. If you have bad drivers, how can you expect your hardware to perform well?
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Trust no one. Especially not a big corporation. HP is to blame, fair and square. If they got permission, it was probably obscured in such a way the end user couldn't tell what the hell it was.
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@marcinozga said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
Trust no one. Especially not a big corporation. HP is to blame, fair and square. If they got permission, it was probably obscured in such a way the end user couldn't tell what the hell it was.
This is no different than any other EULA out there doing the exact same thing.
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@dashrender said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@scottalanmiller said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
@momurda said in HP Possible pulling a Lenovo with Stealthy spyware?:
I don't trust hardware manufacturers to write good software. I trust them to make good hardware.
That, too.
This really doesn't compute to me. If you have bad drivers, how can you expect your hardware to perform well?
How often do you have vendors making their own drivers? Sometimes, but not all that often.
