Looking for some neat Server Build Projects
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
I store each client's OneNote file in their directory on OneDrive. In the note I have a tab for general client info, and another tab for jobs, with each job in a page.
That makes OneNote that much worse. Folders are not how Sharepoint is meant to be used. You CAN do that, it is a fallback mechanism for shops where the managers don't understand how SP works and force it. NTG had this problem and it made SP completely useless to us and was the final nail in the coffin. Bottom line was, SP was too complex for the very people pushing it leaving it... useless.
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
In your view, what is lacking in their feature set? And given that I have Office365 and the whole suite of tools, what would be a good alternative?
Simple search, enforced organization, performance, easy of use, direct links to parts of data. Those are the big ones.
It also encourages (but doesn't force) a total mess of data just dumped in rather than being organized. In a one person environment, it should work acceptably. Once you have more than one, I find it useless.
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Now this looks like a WIKI that I would actually use. I've been searching for one that has a good way to display code snippets. (like the way code is displayed here on ML) This looks like it does the trick.
I've not used it yet, but I've been looking for something just like this for a while. Hoping to deploy it soon.
Fingers crossed. I really want a better internal documentation tool. OneNote and SharePoint are getting too cluttered.
OMG I can't stand OneNote.
I used to like it. But as documentation grows, it quickly becomes cluttered.
Exactly. It's good for a tiny, tiny bit of stuff when everyone is looking at it. But once you get to any size, it is impossible.
Not to derail conversation but how so?
I got an Office365 for my business and figured I'd start using it for client data. I had left Evernote and didn't have many other choices.
I store each client's OneNote file in their directory on OneDrive. In the note I have a tab for general client info, and another tab for jobs, with each job in a page.
I may use other tabs for archiving jobs, todo, etc.Then I have one note for the business, and some others as personal note files.
In your view, what is lacking in their feature set? And given that I have Office365 and the whole suite of tools, what would be a good alternative?
It sounds like you are mistaking it for a CRM tool.
I like using it for a more longer term clipboard... but not much else... Or a place to gather thoughts to get them down quickly without formatting issues.
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@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Now this looks like a WIKI that I would actually use. I've been searching for one that has a good way to display code snippets. (like the way code is displayed here on ML) This looks like it does the trick.
I've not used it yet, but I've been looking for something just like this for a while. Hoping to deploy it soon.
Fingers crossed. I really want a better internal documentation tool. OneNote and SharePoint are getting too cluttered.
OMG I can't stand OneNote.
I used to like it. But as documentation grows, it quickly becomes cluttered.
Exactly. It's good for a tiny, tiny bit of stuff when everyone is looking at it. But once you get to any size, it is impossible.
Not to derail conversation but how so?
I got an Office365 for my business and figured I'd start using it for client data. I had left Evernote and didn't have many other choices.
I store each client's OneNote file in their directory on OneDrive. In the note I have a tab for general client info, and another tab for jobs, with each job in a page.
I may use other tabs for archiving jobs, todo, etc.Then I have one note for the business, and some others as personal note files.
In your view, what is lacking in their feature set? And given that I have Office365 and the whole suite of tools, what would be a good alternative?
It sounds like you are mistaking it for a CRM tool.
I like using it for a more longer term clipboard... but not much else... Or a place to gather thoughts to get them down quickly without formatting issues.
That's the original idea of it. Works okay for that. But for documentation, it's bad.
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@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
That looks really nice. But I still think I'd rather stick to WordPress... I just can't stand writing and maintaining markdown articles and wikis. That's the biggest reason we moved from Mediawiki.
Now, if they had plugins that did WYSIWYG editing, screenshot from clipboard pasting, etc... then I'd be all in.
What plugins do you use in order to have WordPress look like a Wiki?
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
There recommended OS is Ubuntu 16.04 and Server 2012 R2.
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@black3dynamite said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
That looks really nice. But I still think I'd rather stick to WordPress... I just can't stand writing and maintaining markdown articles and wikis. That's the biggest reason we moved from Mediawiki.
Now, if they had plugins that did WYSIWYG editing, screenshot from clipboard pasting, etc... then I'd be all in.
What plugins do you use in order to have WordPress look like a Wiki?
Theme: http://wikiwp.com/
ToC Plugin: https://wordpress.org/plugins/table-of-contents-plus/
Editor: https://wordpress.org/plugins/tinymce-advanced/
Code boxes: https://wordpress.org/plugins/mivhak/
Tables: https://wordpress.org/plugins/tablepress/
Clipboard image pasting: https://wordpress.org/plugins/image-elevator/
Image pop-out: https://wordpress.org/plugins/responsive-lightbox-lite/
That setup is by far definitely worth at least a test. Everyone who uses it is extremely happy... on both ends, editing/creating and reading.
Super easy to update and maintain, highly supported all over the internet.
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@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Now this looks like a WIKI that I would actually use. I've been searching for one that has a good way to display code snippets. (like the way code is displayed here on ML) This looks like it does the trick.
I've not used it yet, but I've been looking for something just like this for a while. Hoping to deploy it soon.
Fingers crossed. I really want a better internal documentation tool. OneNote and SharePoint are getting too cluttered.
OMG I can't stand OneNote.
I used to like it. But as documentation grows, it quickly becomes cluttered.
Exactly. It's good for a tiny, tiny bit of stuff when everyone is looking at it. But once you get to any size, it is impossible.
Not to derail conversation but how so?
I got an Office365 for my business and figured I'd start using it for client data. I had left Evernote and didn't have many other choices.
I store each client's OneNote file in their directory on OneDrive. In the note I have a tab for general client info, and another tab for jobs, with each job in a page.
I may use other tabs for archiving jobs, todo, etc.Then I have one note for the business, and some others as personal note files.
In your view, what is lacking in their feature set? And given that I have Office365 and the whole suite of tools, what would be a good alternative?
It sounds like you are mistaking it for a CRM tool.
I like using it for a more longer term clipboard... but not much else... Or a place to gather thoughts to get them down quickly without formatting issues.
Not necessarily a CRM, just internal notes about jobs/tasks, and record of my time.
I don't find a problem with its performance. Though it might bit a bit over-featured. I don't use anything in the entire ribbon. At most I make some text bold or increase font size. I've used the checkboxes a few times.
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
That makes OneNote that much worse. Folders are not how Sharepoint is meant to be used.
Sharepoint doesn't have folder?
Anyway I'm using O365 that doesn't include SP, which is weird because the language of it lingers around. I don't have SP, but somehow it's kind of still used somewhere in the back I think.I debated back and forth about this style. Originally Onenote puts all notes in a single folder. It's only when that grew to 50+ note files that I thought I should just store the note file in the client's own folder I have in OneDrive. This hasn't seemed to cause any issues so far.
For me the biggest problems are over-featured, can't create structured data (like templates for common note taking situations). And kind of odd storage system with all those separate note files. On one hand I can understand how it works and it makes sense, but on the other hand it would be nice if all notes of all types were just a single database.
But I really don't have any ideas for alternative, I've not been happy with anything.
I want it to be:- An app, usable from any device, browser, desktop app, etc
- secure, encrypted if stored in the cloud, perhaps password protected to get in.
- beautifully organized in categorical structures (client->job->sprint->notes) etc.
- ease of searching and filtering by clients or jobs or globally, by tags, categories, or other meta data
- ability to create data structures, like templates or sets of key=value pairs, modules, forms, whatever
- nice exporting and printing abilities.
- very limited sections able to be shared to or collaborated on with client.
- archiving/backups, keep non-proprietary archives for safe keeping, for example an XML dump
- internally archive just to be able to hide things within the app and keep it clean
All I know is OneNote, Evernote, wikis, Word docs, or a project management/todo app.
The problem with project management and todo apps is they are good for organizing lists of things to do, but not so much for documentation beyond simple text notes and comments. -
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Now this looks like a WIKI that I would actually use. I've been searching for one that has a good way to display code snippets. (like the way code is displayed here on ML) This looks like it does the trick.
I've not used it yet, but I've been looking for something just like this for a while. Hoping to deploy it soon.
Fingers crossed. I really want a better internal documentation tool. OneNote and SharePoint are getting too cluttered.
OMG I can't stand OneNote.
I used to like it. But as documentation grows, it quickly becomes cluttered.
Exactly. It's good for a tiny, tiny bit of stuff when everyone is looking at it. But once you get to any size, it is impossible.
Not to derail conversation but how so?
I got an Office365 for my business and figured I'd start using it for client data. I had left Evernote and didn't have many other choices.
I store each client's OneNote file in their directory on OneDrive. In the note I have a tab for general client info, and another tab for jobs, with each job in a page.
I may use other tabs for archiving jobs, todo, etc.Then I have one note for the business, and some others as personal note files.
In your view, what is lacking in their feature set? And given that I have Office365 and the whole suite of tools, what would be a good alternative?
It sounds like you are mistaking it for a CRM tool.
I like using it for a more longer term clipboard... but not much else... Or a place to gather thoughts to get them down quickly without formatting issues.
Not necessarily a CRM, just internal notes about jobs/tasks, and record of my time.
I don't find a problem with its performance. Though it might bit a bit over-featured. I don't use anything in the entire ribbon. At most I make some text bold or increase font size. I've used the checkboxes a few times.
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
That makes OneNote that much worse. Folders are not how Sharepoint is meant to be used.
Sharepoint doesn't have folder?
That's exactly not what I said. I said it did have folders but only had them to support managers who didn't understand how to use SP and would cripple it with them. You aren't supposed to use them, but they are retained for legacy support reasons - almost entirely around corporate politics rather than technical needs. A key point of the original design of SP was that folders were no longer useful and actively get in the way.
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
I debated back and forth about this style. Originally Onenote puts all notes in a single folder. It's only when that grew to 50+ note files that I thought I should just store the note file in the client's own folder I have in OneDrive. This hasn't seemed to cause any issues so far.
Oh on OneDrive, not SP, I see. We have it in SP folders and it is a disaster. To the point that it pushed it over the edge to "failure" rather than "good enough."
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
But I really don't have any ideas for alternative, I've not been happy with anything.
I want it to be:- An app, usable from any device, browser, desktop app, etc
- secure, encrypted if stored in the cloud, perhaps password protected to get in.
- beautifully organized in categorical structures (client->job->sprint->notes) etc.
- ease of searching and filtering by clients or jobs or globally, by tags, categories, or other meta data
- ability to create data structures, like templates or sets of key=value pairs, modules, forms, whatever
- nice exporting and printing abilities.
- very limited sections able to be shared to or collaborated on with client.
- archiving/backups, keep non-proprietary archives for safe keeping, for example an XML dump
- internally archive just to be able to hide things within the app and keep it clean
I think that most wikis are better for all of that. OneNote does all that, but poorly IMHO. It's slow and heavy and unnecessarily complicated. It's not horrible when used well, especially for one person, but at best it is on par. The bigger the team, the less I see it working well.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
I debated back and forth about this style. Originally Onenote puts all notes in a single folder. It's only when that grew to 50+ note files that I thought I should just store the note file in the client's own folder I have in OneDrive. This hasn't seemed to cause any issues so far.
Oh on OneDrive, not SP, I see. We have it in SP folders and it is a disaster. To the point that it pushed it over the edge to "failure" rather than "good enough."
I don't understand the role of SP in my O365 subscription. I did not buy the plan with SP, but like if I share a file from OneDrive, it has a SP URL, so I don't know. I can log in a Sharepoint dashboard of some sort, but it doesn't do much, or I can't use it, it's just there, because I have O365. it's weird.
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@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
I debated back and forth about this style. Originally Onenote puts all notes in a single folder. It's only when that grew to 50+ note files that I thought I should just store the note file in the client's own folder I have in OneDrive. This hasn't seemed to cause any issues so far.
Oh on OneDrive, not SP, I see. We have it in SP folders and it is a disaster. To the point that it pushed it over the edge to "failure" rather than "good enough."
I don't understand the role of SP in my O365 subscription. I did not buy the plan with SP, but like if I share a file from OneDrive, it has a SP URL, so I don't know. I can log in a Sharepoint dashboard of some sort, but it doesn't do much, or I can't use it, it's just there, because I have O365. it's weird.
OneDrive is a "view" of SP. But a very limited one.
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@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@guyinpv said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@fuznutz04 said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
Now this looks like a WIKI that I would actually use. I've been searching for one that has a good way to display code snippets. (like the way code is displayed here on ML) This looks like it does the trick.
I've not used it yet, but I've been looking for something just like this for a while. Hoping to deploy it soon.
Fingers crossed. I really want a better internal documentation tool. OneNote and SharePoint are getting too cluttered.
OMG I can't stand OneNote.
I used to like it. But as documentation grows, it quickly becomes cluttered.
Exactly. It's good for a tiny, tiny bit of stuff when everyone is looking at it. But once you get to any size, it is impossible.
Not to derail conversation but how so?
I got an Office365 for my business and figured I'd start using it for client data. I had left Evernote and didn't have many other choices.
I store each client's OneNote file in their directory on OneDrive. In the note I have a tab for general client info, and another tab for jobs, with each job in a page.
I may use other tabs for archiving jobs, todo, etc.Then I have one note for the business, and some others as personal note files.
In your view, what is lacking in their feature set? And given that I have Office365 and the whole suite of tools, what would be a good alternative?
It sounds like you are mistaking it for a CRM tool.
I like using it for a more longer term clipboard... but not much else... Or a place to gather thoughts to get them down quickly without formatting issues.
Not necessarily a CRM, just internal notes about jobs/tasks, and record of my time.
I don't find a problem with its performance. Though it might bit a bit over-featured. I don't use anything in the entire ribbon. At most I make some text bold or increase font size. I've used the checkboxes a few times.
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
That makes OneNote that much worse. Folders are not how Sharepoint is meant to be used.
Sharepoint doesn't have folder?
That's exactly not what I said. I said it did have folders but only had them to support managers who didn't understand how to use SP and would cripple it with them. You aren't supposed to use them, but they are retained for legacy support reasons - almost entirely around corporate politics rather than technical needs. A key point of the original design of SP was that folders were no longer useful and actively get in the way.
We have SP. it seems like the most unorganized thing I have seen. It could be the people that set it up, but from what you are describing I’m guessing not. I can never find anything I want.
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@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
That looks really nice. But I still think I'd rather stick to WordPress... I just can't stand writing and maintaining markdown articles and wikis. That's the biggest reason we moved from Mediawiki.
Now, if they had plugins that did WYSIWYG editing, screenshot from clipboard pasting, etc... then I'd be all in.
I'd rather use Markdown. I'm much faster at that than I am with clicking toolbar buttons and I find it less prone to weird formatting issues like you get with some WYSIWYG editors.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
That looks really nice. But I still think I'd rather stick to WordPress... I just can't stand writing and maintaining markdown articles and wikis. That's the biggest reason we moved from Mediawiki.
Now, if they had plugins that did WYSIWYG editing, screenshot from clipboard pasting, etc... then I'd be all in.
I'd rather use Markdown. I'm much faster at that than I am with clicking toolbar buttons and I find it less prone to weird formatting issues like you get with some WYSIWYG editors.
I agree, I like markdown a lot as well.
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@stacksofplates said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@tim_g said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
@scottalanmiller said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
That looks really nice. But I still think I'd rather stick to WordPress... I just can't stand writing and maintaining markdown articles and wikis. That's the biggest reason we moved from Mediawiki.
Now, if they had plugins that did WYSIWYG editing, screenshot from clipboard pasting, etc... then I'd be all in.
I'd rather use Markdown. I'm much faster at that than I am with clicking toolbar buttons and I find it less prone to weird formatting issues like you get with some WYSIWYG editors.
Yup, go with whatever most efficient and works best for you.
In my case, it's WordPress. It takes me a HELL of a lot longer to do everything with Markdown....tables!
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OneDrive is such a terrible product. It's really flaky for me. Every other cloud storage I've used is leaps and bounds better. It's almost unbelievable how bad it is.
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@irj said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
OneDrive is such a terrible product. It's really flaky for me. Every other cloud storage I've used is leaps and bounds better. It's almost unbelievable how bad it is.
I think it's fine but it does have quirks. Folder/file level issues, file names, symbols, etc.
We use Box at work and have had endless issues with it. Some issues as bad as literally seeing files on one computer that never sync to another, and yet the files are seen in the cloud, but they refused to sync down to a device. We are constantly having to delete files from the cloud just so we can try to reupload them to sync. Just lots of issues. Background app suddenly dies and does nothing, even though icon is still in system tray.
OneDrive at least is more keen on stayling alive and reporting sync issues. Box just sort of silently dies and we discover problems later.
For me, since we have Office365 (mainly just to get Office suite), it really sucks that Sharepoint is bad, OneDrive is bad, OneNote is bad, etc etc. I really wish O365 just worked great and I didn't have to also go buy alternate services, ignoring MS ones I'm already buying.
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@irj said in Looking for some neat Server Build Projects:
OneDrive is such a terrible product. It's really flaky for me. Every other cloud storage I've used is leaps and bounds better. It's almost unbelievable how bad it is.
OneDrive for Business, I agree. Absolutely flaky and unreliable. I've tried it in business for a few test users, a couple years ago, and it just caused nothing but issues. I won't use it again.
However, OneDrive for personal use or just "OneDrive" is great. I've been using it for a few years now for all family photos, videos, documents, and some other storage... sitting under 500 GB, but hundreds of thousands of files. At home I have a tiny external USB 1 TB drive to keep it all syncd to. Never had a single issue with it.
