Miscellaneous Tech News
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@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
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@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
It might be a supply issue - they might not have any choice
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
It might be a supply issue - they might not have any choice
That is certainly a possibility too.
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@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
An average of roughly 12 Seagate drives failing per day, the time involved has got to add up.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
It might be a supply issue - they might not have any choice
That's my guess. Or they are crazy cheap.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
An average of roughly 12 Seagate drives failing per day, the time involved has got to add up.
Well, think about the cost of a DC tech and the time involved in a drive swap. If you have the drives on hand, and the tech is already in the DC, and you can do it "anytime today".... grabbing 12 drives in a basket, walking around and popping them all in is 10-30 minutes, tops. Maybe even just 5 minutes if they hurry. It's so easy. And the most junior guy can do it, on the night shift. So likely just using already idle time.
I bet that if the drives themselves are cheap at all, or the warranties are good, that the cost might be hardly anything.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
An average of roughly 12 Seagate drives failing per day, the time involved has got to add up.
Well, think about the cost of a DC tech and the time involved in a drive swap. If you have the drives on hand, and the tech is already in the DC, and you can do it "anytime today".... grabbing 12 drives in a basket, walking around and popping them all in is 10-30 minutes, tops. Maybe even just 5 minutes if they hurry. It's so easy. And the most junior guy can do it, on the night shift. So likely just using already idle time.
I bet that if the drives themselves are cheap at all, or the warranties are good, that the cost might be hardly anything.
It's more than that. It's 12 split between all their data centers. Not just the physical swapping, but also the warranty work. Boxing, shipping, readying the drives, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
It might be a supply issue - they might not have any choice
That's my guess. Or they are crazy cheap.
yeah, but the replacement time isn't so much so - I can't believe the price difference would overcome the tech replacement time difference.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
It might be a supply issue - they might not have any choice
That's my guess. Or they are crazy cheap.
yeah, but the replacement time isn't so much so - I can't believe the price difference would overcome the tech replacement time difference.
Replacement time is super cheap. There is not "thought" involved. it is pull thing with red flashy light and put in new thing. This is literal grunt work.
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@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
but also the warranty work. Boxing, shipping, readying the drives, etc.
Not so much once bundle into batches. No one would do this individually in this scenario.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
An average of roughly 12 Seagate drives failing per day, the time involved has got to add up.
Well, think about the cost of a DC tech and the time involved in a drive swap. If you have the drives on hand, and the tech is already in the DC, and you can do it "anytime today".... grabbing 12 drives in a basket, walking around and popping them all in is 10-30 minutes, tops. Maybe even just 5 minutes if they hurry. It's so easy. And the most junior guy can do it, on the night shift. So likely just using already idle time.
I bet that if the drives themselves are cheap at all, or the warranties are good, that the cost might be hardly anything.
I didn't think they used hotswap? I thought they had to pull their home made servers out to swap drives, possibly requiring to down the whole machine (though unlikely - they just have to likely offline the drive before removing it, then scanning and adding the new one to the array.
None of the pictures of their boxes appeared to be hotswapable.
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@Dashrender You've seen pictures of their servers/datacenter?
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@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender You've seen pictures of their servers/datacenter?
Everyone has. They post pics and specs of their servers everywhere. They are famous for it.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
An average of roughly 12 Seagate drives failing per day, the time involved has got to add up.
Well, think about the cost of a DC tech and the time involved in a drive swap. If you have the drives on hand, and the tech is already in the DC, and you can do it "anytime today".... grabbing 12 drives in a basket, walking around and popping them all in is 10-30 minutes, tops. Maybe even just 5 minutes if they hurry. It's so easy. And the most junior guy can do it, on the night shift. So likely just using already idle time.
I bet that if the drives themselves are cheap at all, or the warranties are good, that the cost might be hardly anything.
I didn't think they used hotswap? I thought they had to pull their home made servers out to swap drives, possibly requiring to down the whole machine (though unlikely - they just have to likely offline the drive before removing it, then scanning and adding the new one to the array.
None of the pictures of their boxes appeared to be hotswapable.
I believe that the newer models are. But even if not, downing a server, swapping a disk, and powering on is fast and easy.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
An average of roughly 12 Seagate drives failing per day, the time involved has got to add up.
Well, think about the cost of a DC tech and the time involved in a drive swap. If you have the drives on hand, and the tech is already in the DC, and you can do it "anytime today".... grabbing 12 drives in a basket, walking around and popping them all in is 10-30 minutes, tops. Maybe even just 5 minutes if they hurry. It's so easy. And the most junior guy can do it, on the night shift. So likely just using already idle time.
I bet that if the drives themselves are cheap at all, or the warranties are good, that the cost might be hardly anything.
I didn't think they used hotswap? I thought they had to pull their home made servers out to swap drives, possibly requiring to down the whole machine (though unlikely - they just have to likely offline the drive before removing it, then scanning and adding the new one to the array.
None of the pictures of their boxes appeared to be hotswapable.
I believe that the newer models are. But even if not, downing a server, swapping a disk, and powering on is fast and easy.
It's still likely 5+ mins per machine though. I mean I suppose could be under 3, but seems unlikely.
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@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Dashrender said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@Obsolesce said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@DustinB3403 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@JaredBusch said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@RojoLoco said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
Backblaze Q3 drive stats:
https://www.backblaze.com/blog/backblaze-hard-drive-stats-q3-2019/
The answer is unchanged. Don't buy Seagate.
With the number of failed Seagate drives that B2 is going through, you'd think that it would be cost prohibitive to continue to purchase them.
This is reading into it a bit, but I would guess Seagate at least honors their warranties. . . .
An average of roughly 12 Seagate drives failing per day, the time involved has got to add up.
Well, think about the cost of a DC tech and the time involved in a drive swap. If you have the drives on hand, and the tech is already in the DC, and you can do it "anytime today".... grabbing 12 drives in a basket, walking around and popping them all in is 10-30 minutes, tops. Maybe even just 5 minutes if they hurry. It's so easy. And the most junior guy can do it, on the night shift. So likely just using already idle time.
I bet that if the drives themselves are cheap at all, or the warranties are good, that the cost might be hardly anything.
I didn't think they used hotswap? I thought they had to pull their home made servers out to swap drives, possibly requiring to down the whole machine (though unlikely - they just have to likely offline the drive before removing it, then scanning and adding the new one to the array.
None of the pictures of their boxes appeared to be hotswapable.
I believe that the newer models are. But even if not, downing a server, swapping a disk, and powering on is fast and easy.
It's still likely 5+ mins per machine though. I mean I suppose could be under 3, but seems unlikely.
Sure, but that's likely free. The DC tech has to be there 24x7 (a tech, not THE tech.) Generally DC techs have loads and loads of idle time.
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There is also the possibility that they don't replace drives. Given how RAIN works, they don't need to. They might just let them die and spin up more.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
There is also the possibility that they don't replace drives. Given how RAIN works, they don't need to. They might just let them die and spin up more.
Their blog posts have made it clear that they do replace failed drives. Your way makes more sense at their scale. Also makes me wonder if it's a limitation in the back end software they use.
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@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
There is also the possibility that they don't replace drives. Given how RAIN works, they don't need to. They might just let them die and spin up more.
Their blog posts have made it clear that they do replace failed drives. Your way makes more sense at their scale. Also makes me wonder if it's a limitation in the back end software they use.
They could replace them in bulk perhaps. Not replacing a single drive on a node, but only when four or more have failed or something like that.
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@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@travisdh1 said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
@scottalanmiller said in Miscellaneous Tech News:
There is also the possibility that they don't replace drives. Given how RAIN works, they don't need to. They might just let them die and spin up more.
Their blog posts have made it clear that they do replace failed drives. Your way makes more sense at their scale. Also makes me wonder if it's a limitation in the back end software they use.
They could replace them in bulk perhaps. Not replacing a single drive on a node, but only when four or more have failed or something like that.
I don't remember the detail they went into on it, just that they've posted that they do replace drives when they go bad. I think they might replace all failed drives daily, but it's been quite a while since I read that article so easily could be mistaken.
