Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@tim_g What are the implications of this, do you know? For what it's worth none of these drives do the amber light thing in either server, all green and they report as SSDs etc. in the lifecycle tooling.
They may work great for 5 years straight... or they may give errors randomly after 5 months for no apparent reason. Performance may be degraded, or it may not. PERC or other features may be lost without Dell's firmware on the SSDs. Your data may be perfectly safe, or it may not be.
Odds of the above going not in your favor are more likely than having Dell's firmware on them.
I wouldn't do it on production servers. But it's your call.
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@dustinb3403 Building the Raid itself takes under 2 minutes, but each server restart seems to take forever ( at least a minute or two or three or four ) because of how slow the configuring RAM and etc. is, so good point.
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@tim_g "Would not do it" meaning what, you'd buy the Dell certified SSDs? Aren't those like 4-10x the market value/price of similar options?
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@Dashrender URE's haven't been proven to exist on SSDs, so really it's not even a consideration.
What matters is if he has an SSD die in OBR0, he's rebuilding if he wants to or not. At 1 AM or at 1PM.
With OBR5 he at least has a buffer to be able to say, ok need to replace this drive, and do so at a reasonable time. Because if he is down to a single host, and that hosts loses a drive. Then he's done for and has to recover everything.
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@tim_g "Would not do it" meaning what, you'd buy the Dell certified SSDs? Aren't those like 4-10x the market value/price of similar options?
No, because you can only compare the price with other Enterprise class drives with custom firmware for the vendor in question.
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I wouldn't do RAID 0. Is the DATA copied synchronously or async?
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@tim_g It'll be using the standard MySQL replication so I believe asychronously but I'm not positive.
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You and remove the problem of a non vendor drives by using a generic RAID controller instead of a branded one from Dell.
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@dashrender Does that work??! If so any recommendations? These are 8 drive and 10 drive boxes so if there's a semi-affordable one that's compatible and can use the full horsepower of the drives I'd be more than down to do that.
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@dashrender Does that work??! If so any recommendations? These are 8 drive and 10 drive boxes so if there's a semi-affordable one that's compatible and can use the full horsepower of the drives I'd be more than down to do that.
Supermicro my man. . . Scott could probably rattle off the best raid controllers for the use case as well..
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
a: 2x octacore xeon, b: 2x decacore xeon
Full serverware stack on each ( IIS, app server, MySQL )
Because you have Windows (you said IIS) involved, be aware that you will need extra licensing for the instances on the decacore system.
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@dashrender Does that work??! If so any recommendations? These are 8 drive and 10 drive boxes so if there's a semi-affordable one that's compatible and can use the full horsepower of the drives I'd be more than down to do that.
This is what SuperMicro used to do... not sure if they are deving their own firmware these days or not.
Specific recommendation - nope. Ask Scott.
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@dashrender Does that work??! If so any recommendations? These are 8 drive and 10 drive boxes so if there's a semi-affordable one that's compatible and can use the full horsepower of the drives I'd be more than down to do that.
I like disctech.com but them being local to me may make me a little biased.
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@jaredbusch For Server 2016 right? Saw that, pretty annoying. But I like the idea of breaking things up into containers eventually so I may bite the bullet. At the moment I have 1 2012 R2 license which I think works for the decacore server w/ no extra licensing.
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@jaredbusch For Server 2016 right? Saw that, pretty annoying. But I like the idea of breaking things up into containers eventually so I may bite the bullet. At the moment I have 1 2012 R2 license which I think works for the decacore server w/ no extra licensing.
Correct. What hypervisor you using?
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@dashrender No virtualization at all, just throwing the full horsepower of each box at the servereware
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@dashrender No virtualization at all, just throwing the full horsepower of each box at the servereware
Prepare for the wrath of the Mango!
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@dashrender No virtualization at all, just throwing the full horsepower of each box at the servereware
Um No.
Stop now.
Re-evaluate your needs.
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@creayt Also forgot to bring up that Raid 0 also gives me way more capacity right so it'd give me terabyte(s) more before I had to scale to extra hardware? Can't remember how much Raid 5 subtracts.
RAID 5 removed one drive. So you'd buy one extra drive for each node. This would, in theory, give you a read performance boost, and a write deficit.
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@creayt said in Is this server strategy reckless and/or insane?:
@dashrender No virtualization at all, just throwing the full horsepower of each box at the servereware
Yep. This is a bad idea.
