virtualize all the things... ?

scottalanmiller

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

I'm trying to figure out why you are VPNing into something that isn't your firewall? and I'm not talking about HTTPS stuff here.

What do you mean? Firewalls are handy, of course, but you just open the ports and connect to the VPN server. Only in the SMB can you get firewalls big enough to do VPN as well.

Windows Server, OpenVPN servers, DirectConnect, Pertino, ZeroTier, Hamachi... all meant to be VPNs that are behind the firewall.

scottalanmiller

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

and I'm not talking about HTTPS stuff here.

But they are one and the same. Literally. How do you talk about one and not the other?

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

I'm trying to figure out why you are VPNing into something that isn't your firewall? and I'm not talking about HTTPS stuff here.

What do you mean? Firewalls are handy, of course, but you just open the ports and connect to the VPN server. Only in the SMB can you get firewalls big enough to do VPN as well.

Windows Server, OpenVPN servers, DirectConnect, Pertino, ZeroTier, Hamachi... all meant to be VPNs that are behind the firewall.

Is the OP in need of a system like that?

scottalanmiller

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

I'm trying to figure out why you are VPNing into something that isn't your firewall? and I'm not talking about HTTPS stuff here.

What do you mean? Firewalls are handy, of course, but you just open the ports and connect to the VPN server. Only in the SMB can you get firewalls big enough to do VPN as well.

Windows Server, OpenVPN servers, DirectConnect, Pertino, ZeroTier, Hamachi... all meant to be VPNs that are behind the firewall.

Is the OP in need of a system like that?

The OP isn't talking about firewalls at all.

Dashrender

@scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

I'm trying to figure out why you are VPNing into something that isn't your firewall? and I'm not talking about HTTPS stuff here.

What do you mean? Firewalls are handy, of course, but you just open the ports and connect to the VPN server. Only in the SMB can you get firewalls big enough to do VPN as well.

Windows Server, OpenVPN servers, DirectConnect, Pertino, ZeroTier, Hamachi... all meant to be VPNs that are behind the firewall.

Is the OP in need of a system like that?

The OP isn't talking about firewalls at all.

No, he's talking about VPNs.

scottalanmiller

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@dashrender said in virtualize all the things... ?:

I'm trying to figure out why you are VPNing into something that isn't your firewall? and I'm not talking about HTTPS stuff here.

What do you mean? Firewalls are handy, of course, but you just open the ports and connect to the VPN server. Only in the SMB can you get firewalls big enough to do VPN as well.

Windows Server, OpenVPN servers, DirectConnect, Pertino, ZeroTier, Hamachi... all meant to be VPNs that are behind the firewall.

Is the OP in need of a system like that?

The OP isn't talking about firewalls at all.

No, he's talking about VPNs.

Neither as far as I can see.

bj

Yeah, this conversation on VPNs and Firewalls is a tangent, based on someone saying that they didn't like virtualizing their VPN server.

bj

@scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

In reality, KVM is the better choice most of the time.

Any experience with QEMU? How does it compare?

wirestyle22

@bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@scottalanmiller said in virtualize all the things... ?:

In reality, KVM is the better choice most of the time.

Any experience with QEMU? How does it compare?

He has an incredible amount of experience with it but you're likely to use virt-manager at least at first

bj

@wirestyle22 We are using it with proxmox right now.

wirestyle22

@bj Ah. I am in the process of learning everything the manual way first and then I will eventually branch out. Studying for my RHCE

JaredBusch

@bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

proxmox

Why can't this thing die in a fire....

black3dynamite

@jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

proxmox

Why can't this thing die in a fire....

Is it the product or people behind it or both that can't stand?

scottalanmiller

@black3dynamite said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

proxmox

Why can't this thing die in a fire....

Is it the product or people behind it or both that can't stand?

Both really. It's a terrible company with a weird product that doesn't really have any purpose in the market.

bj

It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

wirestyle22

@bj I don't personally use anything like proxmox. What does it offer you that you cannot live without?

JaredBusch

@bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

In order?

Hyper-V Server
KVM (Fedora based)
KVM (CentOS based)

Note: This is production preferences. Not lab.

wirestyle22

@jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

In order?

Hyper-V Server

KVM (Fedora based)

KVM (CentOS based)

Proxmox is a hypervisor? wat

DustinB3403

@wirestyle22 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

In order?

Hyper-V Server

KVM (Fedora based)

KVM (CentOS based)

Proxmox is a hypervisor? wat

Yeah. .

wirestyle22

@dustinb3403 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@wirestyle22 said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@jaredbusch said in virtualize all the things... ?:

@bj said in virtualize all the things... ?:

It was in use before I got here, and though we don't pay for it (we have to deal with annoying reminders, but otherwise it seems to work fine) it seems to work ok. What solution do you prefer?

In order?

Hyper-V Server

KVM (Fedora based)

KVM (CentOS based)

Proxmox is a hypervisor? wat

Yeah. .

I guess there is a reason this is the first time I've ever heard of it being brought up. I thought it worked in tandem with a hypervisor to make managing the VM's easier