Hypervisor choice
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@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
IF money is going to be spent, and you have a separate backup solution already, I'm seriously wondering why ESXi Essentials isn't the go to option here?
IF money isn't going to be spent, well, then the choice of free options is what it is.
Definitely an option. A big part of this problem is trying to spec a solution with complete uncertainty about future budget. Maybe, there will be money to spend this year but maybe not next year so I need a fall back in that case. At least Essentials doesn't cease to function if they don't buy support next year, and the free HTML5 client is getting better.
In the for-profit sector this would be unacceptable - even when I was involved in small tech startups on very tight budgets, we understood there was a certain IT cost involved in doing business efficiently. Unfortunately, a less tech-savy group, especially a non-profit, may not have that understanding so free is often the goal.
ESXi Essentials is like $100/yr for updates. Come on, if they can't afford that, they really can't afford computers at all.
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Now, this is not to say that EXSi Essentials is what you need. But in the realm of paid products, it's definitely a front runner in my book.
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@DustinB3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
@bnrstnr said in Hypervisor choice:
@Dashrender It definitely seems like a ploy to get people to linger for another year until the next bump in pricing. Why take the product off the website if they truly have any intention of keeping it around long term.
We paid for it and it was totally worth the $350 at the time I did it (managing HV 2012R2 w/ win10 wasn't working very well). I have no regrets whatsoever switching to XSXO though, which also saved me a Unitrends subscription.
Unitrends subscription? You have more than 1 TB of data? I thought Unitrends was free for 1 TB and less?
I didn't think Unitrends had a free option. Isn't that Veeam?
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@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
ESXi Essentials is like $100/yr for updates. Come on, if they can't afford that, they really can't afford computers at all.
Yes, that's the kind of number they like. I assumed it was another $560 for each additional year (still very reasonable) -
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
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@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
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@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.
$0 gets you zero support.
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@jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:
@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.
$0 gets you zero support.
Get's you community support.
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@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:
@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.
$0 gets you zero support.
Get's you community support.
Sometimes community support is not enough.
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@black3dynamite said in Hypervisor choice:
@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jaredbusch said in Hypervisor choice:
@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
$0 is easily beats that price.
Not a chance. you are missing the point as usual.
$0 gets you zero support.
Get's you community support.
Sometimes community support is not enough.
I agree, but that isn't something we can evaluate for @jfath
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To argue the point further, many people here would recommend Hyper-V, yet there is no official support channel from Microsoft that anyone would use.
You'd use all third party support.
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ESXi Essentials gets zero support also at the $500 and $100/yr prices. Support costs more.
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@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
ESXi Essentials gets zero support also at the $500 and $100/yr prices. Support costs more.
Yup, he'd have to step up to Essentials Plus for basic support. Which takes the price from $560 to $5,439. . . Big jump for basic support.
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Which if you're stepping up in levels, you're paying more (and still lacking possible features).
So why not use a free hypervisor, and get third party support.
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Alternatively he could do a VMware vSphere Essentials Plus Kit Term which is a 1 year cost and spend $2,740 annually.
Which could be worthwhile, especially if support is needed to address an issue.
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@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
ESXi Essentials gets zero support also at the $500 and $100/yr prices. Support costs more.
Yup, he'd have to step up to Essentials Plus for basic support. Which takes the price from $560 to $5,439. . . Big jump for basic support.
WHAT? OK I really don't know if Essentials Plus includes basic support, but you don't need that - paying per call is acceptable in this case. When I last looked (3 years ago) a single call in ticket was like $250.
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@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
@dashrender said in Hypervisor choice:
IF money is going to be spent, and you have a separate backup solution already, I'm seriously wondering why ESXi Essentials isn't the go to option here?
IF money isn't going to be spent, well, then the choice of free options is what it is.
Definitely an option. A big part of this problem is trying to spec a solution with complete uncertainty about future budget. Maybe, there will be money to spend this year but maybe not next year so I need a fall back in that case. At least Essentials doesn't cease to function if they don't buy support next year, and the free HTML5 client is getting better.
In the for-profit sector this would be unacceptable - even when I was involved in small tech startups on very tight budgets, we understood there was a certain IT cost involved in doing business efficiently. Unfortunately, a less tech-savy group, especially a non-profit, may not have that understanding so free is often the goal.
This is why open source is good... guarantees that you don't have sudden price risks tomorrow.
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@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
Seems like $350 wasted. Doesn't sound hard to beat at all.
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@jfath said in Hypervisor choice:
And $349 for non-profit - wow. That's going to be hard to beat.
Remember, you get no support with that. So that's $350 lost, and you get essentially nothing for it. KVM gives you more for free.
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@dustinb3403 said in Hypervisor choice:
Alternatively he could do a VMware vSphere Essentials Plus Kit Term which is a 1 year cost and spend $2,740 annually.
Which could be worthwhile, especially if support is needed to address an issue.
Assuming this comes with unlimited support - I suppose so.
But clearly his business doesn't need that level of support. He's stated that they are closed weekends, nights so he has downtime when they can deal with things. A single call or two budgeted in might be wise, but probably mostly go unused.
