Managing Hyper-V
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@coliver said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
And I'll agree that MS hasn't given us one either.
MS has given an enterprise solution. Use Active Directory to manage user permissions and logon rights for your Hyper-V hosts. If you need to go further then that look at SCVMM to manage the hosts that will for the most part have to be added to the domain to get all the functionality.
Well, Wired discovered that a PC in a child domain could not manage a Hyper-V host in a parent domain (or other child domain) without tons of issues. I suppose SCVMM might solve this, but with general Hyper-V manager on Windows 10, it's a problem.
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
I only ever log into my management PC with this user. There's no logging in or out of anything...
What is a management PC? You actually have a whole other computer (or local VM) that's entire purpose is only servicing the Hyper-V host? seems like $300+ for a Windows license, pretty expensive.
It was mentioned earlier in the thread how you would manage Hosts that were domain connected if you had multiple domains in your environment. Some had mentioned even if Trusts were in place that Hyper-V Manager would ignore this, unless i misunderstood. I was simply offering this as an alternative since you're managing with local admin creds on the Hosts you don't have this issue.
That's true, I had forgotten about that bit, but your solution is instead of having separation, you'd have all Hyper-V hosts have the same single account, managed by your one PC that has that - that's not an enterprise solution. And I'll agree that MS hasn't given us one either.
I mean I suppose the first bits a matter of opinion, it's baked into our solution so there is no added cost per say.
Regarding whether this is an Enterprise Solution or not, to be fair I never claimed it to be. I also don't work in the Enterprise market and in that space I'm not sure how much Hyper-V you're really coming across. Others would probably have better insight on that in all honesty, I'd only be speculating.
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@coliver said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
And I'll agree that MS hasn't given us one either.
MS has given an enterprise solution. Use Active Directory to manage user permissions and logon rights for your Hyper-V hosts. If you need to go further then that look at SCVMM to manage the hosts that will for the most part have to be added to the domain to get all the functionality.
Well, Wired discovered that a PC in a child domain could not manage a Hyper-V host in a parent domain (or other child domain) without tons of issues. I suppose SCVMM might solve this, but with general Hyper-V manager on Windows 10, it's a problem.
Wired also had a crazy AD setup. I don't know if that was part of the problem or if it was Hyper-V. Very well could have been Hyper-V.
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@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
I mean I suppose the first bits a matter of opinion, it's baked into our solution so there is no added cost per say.
Baked in? So let's assume you have a full second PC that's solely used for managing this Hyper-V host. That's probably $800 (or more). One thing ML really tries to get across to sysadmins/generalist IT personal is that we are part of the business process, and a major goal of the business process is to do things cost effectively. As such, I'm not sure this is considered cost effective.
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@coliver said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@coliver said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
And I'll agree that MS hasn't given us one either.
MS has given an enterprise solution. Use Active Directory to manage user permissions and logon rights for your Hyper-V hosts. If you need to go further then that look at SCVMM to manage the hosts that will for the most part have to be added to the domain to get all the functionality.
Well, Wired discovered that a PC in a child domain could not manage a Hyper-V host in a parent domain (or other child domain) without tons of issues. I suppose SCVMM might solve this, but with general Hyper-V manager on Windows 10, it's a problem.
Wired also had a crazy AD setup. I don't know if that was part of the problem or if it was Hyper-V. Very well could have been Hyper-V.
I recall finding MS docs that specifically stated this problem as known.
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@coliver said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@coliver said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
And I'll agree that MS hasn't given us one either.
MS has given an enterprise solution. Use Active Directory to manage user permissions and logon rights for your Hyper-V hosts. If you need to go further then that look at SCVMM to manage the hosts that will for the most part have to be added to the domain to get all the functionality.
Well, Wired discovered that a PC in a child domain could not manage a Hyper-V host in a parent domain (or other child domain) without tons of issues. I suppose SCVMM might solve this, but with general Hyper-V manager on Windows 10, it's a problem.
Wired also had a crazy AD setup. I don't know if that was part of the problem or if it was Hyper-V. Very well could have been Hyper-V.
I recall finding MS docs that specifically stated this problem as known.
Ok. Good to know I'll keep that in mind.
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
I mean I suppose the first bits a matter of opinion, it's baked into our solution so there is no added cost per say.
Baked in? So let's assume you have a full second PC that's solely used for managing this Hyper-V host. That's probably $800 (or more). One thing ML really tries to get across to sysadmins/generalist IT personal is that we are part of the business process, and a major goal of the business process is to do things cost effectively. As such, I'm not sure this is considered cost effective.
@dashrender I'm not sure where you're grabbing these prices from, so this whole statement is a bit of a straw man. I can grab a laptop for $150-200, you're overthinking this.
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Can you install and run RSAT on Windows home?
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
Can you install and run RSAT on Windows home?
Windows 10 Pro, Enterprise, and Education only.
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
Can you install and run RSAT on Windows home?
I'm not sure, I don't use Home edition at work or home. Who is using Windows Home?
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@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
Can you install and run RSAT on Windows home?
I'm not sure, I don't use Home edition at work or home. Who is using Windows Home?
Anyone with $150 laptops
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I mostly use Windows Home these days, with AD not making sense like it used to, Windows Home often ends up making more business sense in smaller businesses.
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@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
Can you install and run RSAT on Windows home?
I'm not sure, I don't use Home edition at work or home. Who is using Windows Home?
You found a laptop with Windows 10 Pro on it for $150-200? Nice find then. If you didn't, then you'll need to toss $50-100 on top of that price to upgrade to Pro. that's where I was driving too.
But it's still weird to me to have this single computer sitting in the corner of my desk to manage a Hyper-V host when I have a decent (I assume) desktop/laptop on my desk for all of the other management I do.
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
Can you install and run RSAT on Windows home?
I'm not sure, I don't use Home edition at work or home. Who is using Windows Home?
Anyone with $150 laptops
Hey hey hey now don't judge Newegg
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@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
I mostly use Windows Home these days, with AD not making sense like it used to, Windows Home often ends up making more business sense in smaller businesses.
But can you install Hyper-V manager on Windows home edition to manage a Hyper-V host?
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@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
Can you install and run RSAT on Windows home?
I'm not sure, I don't use Home edition at work or home. Who is using Windows Home?
Anyone with $150 laptops
Hey hey hey now don't judge Newegg
What do they sell as a laptop with Pro for $200 or less?
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
I mostly use Windows Home these days, with AD not making sense like it used to, Windows Home often ends up making more business sense in smaller businesses.
But can you install Hyper-V manager on Windows home edition to manage a Hyper-V host?
No idea.
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@scottalanmiller said in Managing Hyper-V:
I mostly use Windows Home these days, with AD not making sense like it used to, Windows Home often ends up making more business sense in smaller businesses.
But can you install Hyper-V manager on Windows home edition to manage a Hyper-V host?
No Hyper-V manager is an RSAT tool I don't think it is available on Windows 10 Home.
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@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
@r3dpand4 said in Managing Hyper-V:
@dashrender said in Managing Hyper-V:
Can you install and run RSAT on Windows home?
I'm not sure, I don't use Home edition at work or home. Who is using Windows Home?
You found a laptop with Windows 10 Pro on it for $200-300? Nice find then. If you didn't, then you'll need to toss $50-100 on top of that price to upgrade to Pro. that's where I was driving too.
But it's still weird to me to have this single computer sitting in the corner of my desk to manage a Hyper-V host when I have a decent (I assume) desktop/laptop on my desk for all of the other management I do.
I mean it takes all of 15 minutes on Newegg or Amazon. All that being said even if we're going by your numbers still you're looking at $300-400, I don't know where that $800 came from. Also I do everything from my management PC that I need to do, again this is personal preference.
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That's what I would assume. That just sucks.
Windows Home can't install the Hyper-V role, either.
