Calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox Experts
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@scottalanmiller said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@travisdh1 said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
You could install Debian 8.3, and then do a manual install of Proxmox on top of that. I honestly don't want to touch Proxmox again.
Can you really layer ProxMox on top of something else? Never looked at it as an add on service before.
What distro does ProxMox build on natively.
AFAIK, it's built on Debian
If I remember correct they put a lot of red hat kenrel in it. Not straight Debian kernel at all. But I've checked it a lot of months ago.
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@matteo-nunziati said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@scottalanmiller said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@travisdh1 said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
You could install Debian 8.3, and then do a manual install of Proxmox on top of that. I honestly don't want to touch Proxmox again.
Can you really layer ProxMox on top of something else? Never looked at it as an add on service before.
What distro does ProxMox build on natively.
AFAIK, it's built on Debian
If I remember correct they put a lot of red hat kenrel in it. Not straight Debian kernel at all. But I've checked it a lot of months ago.
That seems like a really odd thing for them to have done.
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@scottalanmiller just checked their wiki. 3.x was redhat based. 4.x is ubuntu based
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
AFAIK, it's built on Debian
Upcoming v5 is built on Debian Stretch, is this good or bad?
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@FATeknollogee good imho if you can afford to run on a 2year update cycle. If proxmox lags too much or applies a lot of patching then any base is irrelevant.
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@matteo-nunziati Is Debian typically on a 2 year update cycle?
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@matteo-nunziati said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@FATeknollogee good imho if you can afford to run on a 2year update cycle. If proxmox lags too much or applies a lot of patching then any base is irrelevant.
Just seems like a weird combination to me. Just Debian, fine. Just RHEL, fine. If you want updates regularly, I'd think Fedora. But mixing them, I mean they might have some brilliant reason but it seems odd to me.
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@matteo-nunziati Is Debian typically on a 2 year update cycle?
Correct
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
AFAIK, it's built on Debian
Upcoming v5 is built on Debian Stretch, is this good or bad?
Neither? Certainly not bad.
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Would it be wrong to assume that in 2017, all these different *nix distros (Fedora, Centos, RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu etc) for the most part are all very capable & that any app that uses them as a base has a solid foundation?
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
Would it be wrong to assume that in 2017, all these different *nix distros (Fedora, Centos, RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu etc) for the most part are all very capable & that any app that uses them as a base has a solid foundation?
Oh yes, none of those would be any problem. You have some high level obvious differences that would be highlight most between CentOS and Fedora - one has a ~3 year long term refresh cycle and the other has a decently strict six month one. So the "low change rate vs. new features" options are most dramatic between those two (of the ones listed.)
Also belonging in any list like that are openSuse Leap and openSuse Tumbleweed.
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My list wasn't meant to be comprehensive.
Btw, do you really need that many distro's?
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@FATeknollogee said in Calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox Experts:
My list wasn't meant to be comprehensive.
Btw, do you really need that many distro's?
No, in the real world the list that I use is only.... Fedora, CentOS and Tumbleweed. And CentOS is rapidly phasing out.
I never use Debian and use Ubuntu only in very limited situations where that's what an app needs or supports. But for new deployments where we have flexibility to choose what is best for us, it's all Fedora and Tumbleweed.
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Understood!
What's Tumbleweed's claim to fame?
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@FATeknollogee said in Calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox Experts:
Understood!
What's Tumbleweed's claim to fame?
Rolling updates is the main thing. Only enterprise distro that offers that, so if you like the "every six months" of Fedora, you might like Tumbeweed even better. I love it.
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@scottalanmiller said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
Rolling updates is the main thing. Only enterprise distro that offers that, so if you like the "every six months" of Fedora, you might like Tumbeweed even better. I love it.
You mean rolling updates kinda like we are used to in the Microsoft world?
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@FATeknollogee said in Calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox Experts:
@scottalanmiller said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
Rolling updates is the main thing. Only enterprise distro that offers that, so if you like the "every six months" of Fedora, you might like Tumbeweed even better. I love it.
You mean rolling updates kinda like we are used to in the Microsoft world?
No, Windows world is long term only, like CentOS. Windows is very far from rolling updates. Even high speed updates like Fedora have no match in Windows.
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@FATeknollogee rolling means they constantly upgrade sw when ready. The opposite is sw which sticks at a given version and is subject to security fixes only.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox Experts:
@FATeknollogee rolling means they constantly upgrade sw when ready. The opposite is sw which sticks at a given version and is subject to security fixes only.
Exactly. In Windows terms, it would be like MS Office updating from 2013 to 2016 automatically on any given day. Tumbleweed tends to update a couple times a week, but the updates are tiny. Just whatever applications have a new release and have been tested get released as they are ready, not in blocks together.
The big difference is that it is updates to packages and releases of new packages as they are available, not just patches that are provided. All OSes release patches on a regular basis as needed, or weekly. But rolling releases actually update the software versions all the time.
