Calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox Experts
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@travisdh1 said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@scottalanmiller said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
From Mellanox it looks like the issue is just that Debian and ProxMox are not well supported. No surprise as those aren't really enterprise platforms. Debian is great but you get Ubuntu if you want enterprise Debian. And PM.... well, Id put it was a hobby system.
If you use RHEL, CentOS, Fedora, Ubuntu or Suse it looks like you can be fully updated and supported with Mellanox.
Proxmox isn't even a hobby system, to me it's a never use.
Well I never deploy hobby systems
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If you want a scale out, no hardware RAID, hyperconverged KVM option, you might want to think about something like Fedora with KVM, use MD RAID, XFS, then add in the new Starwind Linux VSA for KVM.
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Problem solved.
Had to change both ports on the ConnectX-3 from the default of "IB" to "Eth". -
The only advantage to ProxMox I see is the specific owners for VMs(can do it through polkit but it's annoying). Also a small portion the fact that there is a usable web interface but it's been years since I've used it. I use cli and Virtual-Manager, but it is annoying if you try to manage from a Windows machine.
If all they did was create a web interface it would be much better.
I'll never understand the point of ZFS for a hypervisor. Better snapshotting is available through libvirt and that's the only thing I see people say they use it for.
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@stacksofplates said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
If all they did was create a web interface it would be much better.
The Proxmox GUI is via a web interface
I'll never understand the point of ZFS for a hypervisor.
Ask @scottalanmiller about the cult of ZFS! People love their ZFS!!
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@stacksofplates said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
If all they did was create a web interface it would be much better.
The Proxmox GUI is via a web interface
Right. I mean if that's all they did it would be ok, not create a whole distro.
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@stacksofplates said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
If all they did was create a web interface it would be much better.
The Proxmox GUI is via a web interface
I'll never understand the point of ZFS for a hypervisor.
Ask @scottalanmiller about the cult of ZFS! People love their ZFS!!
It's true. And @kooler has identified the same thing with CEPH. I see a new article coming
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
Problem solved.
Had to change both ports on the ConnectX-3 from the default of "IB" to "Eth".Oh. They were InfiniBand? Nice. Sad that you can't use that!
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@stacksofplates said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@stacksofplates said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
If all they did was create a web interface it would be much better.
The Proxmox GUI is via a web interface
Right. I mean if that's all they did it would be ok, not create a whole distro.
I agree. As just a management interface it could be pretty nice.
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@scottalanmiller said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@travisdh1 said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
You could install Debian 8.3, and then do a manual install of Proxmox on top of that. I honestly don't want to touch Proxmox again.
Can you really layer ProxMox on top of something else? Never looked at it as an add on service before.
What distro does ProxMox build on natively.
AFAIK, it's built on Debian
If I remember correct they put a lot of red hat kenrel in it. Not straight Debian kernel at all. But I've checked it a lot of months ago.
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@matteo-nunziati said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@scottalanmiller said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@travisdh1 said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
You could install Debian 8.3, and then do a manual install of Proxmox on top of that. I honestly don't want to touch Proxmox again.
Can you really layer ProxMox on top of something else? Never looked at it as an add on service before.
What distro does ProxMox build on natively.
AFAIK, it's built on Debian
If I remember correct they put a lot of red hat kenrel in it. Not straight Debian kernel at all. But I've checked it a lot of months ago.
That seems like a really odd thing for them to have done.
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@scottalanmiller just checked their wiki. 3.x was redhat based. 4.x is ubuntu based
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
AFAIK, it's built on Debian
Upcoming v5 is built on Debian Stretch, is this good or bad?
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@FATeknollogee good imho if you can afford to run on a 2year update cycle. If proxmox lags too much or applies a lot of patching then any base is irrelevant.
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@matteo-nunziati Is Debian typically on a 2 year update cycle?
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@matteo-nunziati said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@FATeknollogee good imho if you can afford to run on a 2year update cycle. If proxmox lags too much or applies a lot of patching then any base is irrelevant.
Just seems like a weird combination to me. Just Debian, fine. Just RHEL, fine. If you want updates regularly, I'd think Fedora. But mixing them, I mean they might have some brilliant reason but it seems odd to me.
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@matteo-nunziati Is Debian typically on a 2 year update cycle?
Correct
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
AFAIK, it's built on Debian
Upcoming v5 is built on Debian Stretch, is this good or bad?
Neither? Certainly not bad.
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Would it be wrong to assume that in 2017, all these different *nix distros (Fedora, Centos, RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu etc) for the most part are all very capable & that any app that uses them as a base has a solid foundation?
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@FATeknollogee said in calling Debian Stretch & Mellanox experts!!:
Would it be wrong to assume that in 2017, all these different *nix distros (Fedora, Centos, RHEL, Debian, Ubuntu etc) for the most part are all very capable & that any app that uses them as a base has a solid foundation?
Oh yes, none of those would be any problem. You have some high level obvious differences that would be highlight most between CentOS and Fedora - one has a ~3 year long term refresh cycle and the other has a decently strict six month one. So the "low change rate vs. new features" options are most dramatic between those two (of the ones listed.)
Also belonging in any list like that are openSuse Leap and openSuse Tumbleweed.
