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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster. Because there is competition in the market those prices are pretty reasonable and there are alternatives. If internet service was truly competitive then you could have a scenario where a Comcast charged for everything under the sun and smaller ISPs could come in and offer open internet for less and take customers forcing Comcast to change their offerings or lose customers. But it isn't truly competitive. Thus why I think the FCC is addressing the wrong thing.
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@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster.
That's open and equal to all. Nothing related to what we are discussing with is refusing to deliver things that have been paid for already.
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Net Neutrality is about delivering things equally for all people who have paid. Both parties, the sender and receiver, have paid for a service. But one doesn't know that they don't receive what they paid for.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Net Neutrality is about delivering things equally for all people who have paid. Both parties, the sender and receiver, have paid for a service. But one doesn't know that they don't receive what they paid for.
See Comcast disagrees with you. In small print they tell you what you’re paying for is a curated internet, curated by them. At least that’s he case after the change.
Just because you don’t read the small print doesn’t mean they didn’t tell you.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Net Neutrality is about delivering things equally for all people who have paid. Both parties, the sender and receiver, have paid for a service. But one doesn't know that they don't receive what they paid for.
See Comcast disagrees with you. In small print they tell you what you’re paying for is a curated internet, curated by them. At least that’s he case after the change.
Just because you don’t read the small print doesn’t mean they didn’t tell you.
Except if they told you that during Net Neutrality, they didn't actually tell you.
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What I really expect to see is bandwidth tiers. And I don’t expect much discounts as you buy more because they want to force you (via high prices) toward their internal solutions.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Net Neutrality is about delivering things equally for all people who have paid. Both parties, the sender and receiver, have paid for a service. But one doesn't know that they don't receive what they paid for.
See Comcast disagrees with you. In small print they tell you what you’re paying for is a curated internet, curated by them. At least that’s he case after the change.
Just because you don’t read the small print doesn’t mean they didn’t tell you.
Except if they told you that during Net Neutrality, they didn't actually tell you.
Well they fix that by sending you an email with an update TOS
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
What I really expect to see is bandwidth tiers. And I don’t expect much discounts as you buy more because they want to force you (via high prices) toward their internal solutions.
That's what everyone already has.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Net Neutrality is about delivering things equally for all people who have paid. Both parties, the sender and receiver, have paid for a service. But one doesn't know that they don't receive what they paid for.
See Comcast disagrees with you. In small print they tell you what you’re paying for is a curated internet, curated by them. At least that’s he case after the change.
Just because you don’t read the small print doesn’t mean they didn’t tell you.
Except if they told you that during Net Neutrality, they didn't actually tell you.
Well they fix that by sending you an email with an update TOS
Then it's not what you paid for
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@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster. Because there is competition in the market those prices are pretty reasonable and there are alternatives. If internet service was truly competitive then you could have a scenario where a Comcast charged for everything under the sun and smaller ISPs could come in and offer open internet for less and take customers forcing Comcast to change their offerings or lose customers. But it isn't truly competitive. Thus why I think the FCC is addressing the wrong thing.
One of the many reasons I'm for local loop unbundling. Let the municipalities manage the last mile and allow ISPs to competitively access the consumer.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Net Neutrality is about delivering things equally for all people who have paid. Both parties, the sender and receiver, have paid for a service. But one doesn't know that they don't receive what they paid for.
See Comcast disagrees with you. In small print they tell you what you’re paying for is a curated internet, curated by them. At least that’s he case after the change.
Just because you don’t read the small print doesn’t mean they didn’t tell you.
Except if they told you that during Net Neutrality, they didn't actually tell you.
Well they fix that by sending you an email with an update TOS
Then it's not what you paid for
Notice the past tense there - because, yes it is what they Paid for, now they are paying for something new - new TOS, new agreement. You keep paying, you've chosen to accept it.
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@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster. Because there is competition in the market those prices are pretty reasonable and there are alternatives. If internet service was truly competitive then you could have a scenario where a Comcast charged for everything under the sun and smaller ISPs could come in and offer open internet for less and take customers forcing Comcast to change their offerings or lose customers. But it isn't truly competitive. Thus why I think the FCC is addressing the wrong thing.
One of the many reasons I'm for local loop unbundling. Let the municipalities manage the last mile and allow ISPs to competitively access the consumer.
If our roads are any sort of indicator of quality I might pass on this option.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster. Because there is competition in the market those prices are pretty reasonable and there are alternatives. If internet service was truly competitive then you could have a scenario where a Comcast charged for everything under the sun and smaller ISPs could come in and offer open internet for less and take customers forcing Comcast to change their offerings or lose customers. But it isn't truly competitive. Thus why I think the FCC is addressing the wrong thing.
One of the many reasons I'm for local loop unbundling. Let the municipalities manage the last mile and allow ISPs to competitively access the consumer.
If our roads are any sort of indicator of quality I might pass on this option.
But that's kind of what we want. Everyone has identical and unimpeded access to our road and highway infrastructure. Although I will agree with you road surface is pretty terrible especially in areas where the weather doesn't cooperate.
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@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Net Neutrality is about delivering things equally for all people who have paid. Both parties, the sender and receiver, have paid for a service. But one doesn't know that they don't receive what they paid for.
See Comcast disagrees with you. In small print they tell you what you’re paying for is a curated internet, curated by them. At least that’s he case after the change.
Just because you don’t read the small print doesn’t mean they didn’t tell you.
Except if they told you that during Net Neutrality, they didn't actually tell you.
Well they fix that by sending you an email with an update TOS
Then it's not what you paid for
Notice the past tense there - because, yes it is what they Paid for, now they are paying for something new - new TOS, new agreement. You keep paying, you've chosen to accept it.
No choices, that's the reality. No one chooses in America.
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@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster. Because there is competition in the market those prices are pretty reasonable and there are alternatives. If internet service was truly competitive then you could have a scenario where a Comcast charged for everything under the sun and smaller ISPs could come in and offer open internet for less and take customers forcing Comcast to change their offerings or lose customers. But it isn't truly competitive. Thus why I think the FCC is addressing the wrong thing.
One of the many reasons I'm for local loop unbundling. Let the municipalities manage the last mile and allow ISPs to competitively access the consumer.
If our roads are any sort of indicator of quality I might pass on this option.
You state this as if a Comcast road would be better? NO way.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster. Because there is competition in the market those prices are pretty reasonable and there are alternatives. If internet service was truly competitive then you could have a scenario where a Comcast charged for everything under the sun and smaller ISPs could come in and offer open internet for less and take customers forcing Comcast to change their offerings or lose customers. But it isn't truly competitive. Thus why I think the FCC is addressing the wrong thing.
One of the many reasons I'm for local loop unbundling. Let the municipalities manage the last mile and allow ISPs to competitively access the consumer.
If our roads are any sort of indicator of quality I might pass on this option.
You state this as if a Comcast road would be better? NO way.
Eh... there is a point in there somewhere.
My point in municipalities very often aren't better than businesses like ComCast.
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster. Because there is competition in the market those prices are pretty reasonable and there are alternatives. If internet service was truly competitive then you could have a scenario where a Comcast charged for everything under the sun and smaller ISPs could come in and offer open internet for less and take customers forcing Comcast to change their offerings or lose customers. But it isn't truly competitive. Thus why I think the FCC is addressing the wrong thing.
One of the many reasons I'm for local loop unbundling. Let the municipalities manage the last mile and allow ISPs to competitively access the consumer.
If our roads are any sort of indicator of quality I might pass on this option.
You state this as if a Comcast road would be better? NO way.
Yeah, has anyone else seen the condition of the privatized toll routes? Forget tire-eating potholes, those are just the starting point!
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@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Net Neutrality is about delivering things equally for all people who have paid. Both parties, the sender and receiver, have paid for a service. But one doesn't know that they don't receive what they paid for.
See Comcast disagrees with you. In small print they tell you what you’re paying for is a curated internet, curated by them. At least that’s he case after the change.
Just because you don’t read the small print doesn’t mean they didn’t tell you.
Except if they told you that during Net Neutrality, they didn't actually tell you.
Well they fix that by sending you an email with an update TOS
Then it's not what you paid for
Notice the past tense there - because, yes it is what they Paid for, now they are paying for something new - new TOS, new agreement. You keep paying, you've chosen to accept it.
No choices, that's the reality. No one chooses in America.
Well that's nothing new - and plays to exactly what I and @coliver are saying.
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@travisdh1 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@scottalanmiller said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@kelly said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Fundamentally repealing Net Neutrality is the right thing to do...if ISPs were not monopolies or duopolies in the majority of the country. If freedom to compete actually existed in the market, then removing regulations would spur growth. Unfortunately competition does not exist currently, and won't exist after repeal. The FCC is addressing the wrong problem with this.
I'm not sure that I agree - even in an open market, do you want infrastructure suppliers choosing what you RECEIVE?
For example, UPS and FedEx don't choose to deliver some types of products or from different companies - everything costs the same and comes at the same speed. They don't choose to make certain vendors unable to deliver to you or make some packages slow to discredit those vendors and it would be good for no one if they did.
Well, someone does have to pay to get their packages to their destination faster. Because there is competition in the market those prices are pretty reasonable and there are alternatives. If internet service was truly competitive then you could have a scenario where a Comcast charged for everything under the sun and smaller ISPs could come in and offer open internet for less and take customers forcing Comcast to change their offerings or lose customers. But it isn't truly competitive. Thus why I think the FCC is addressing the wrong thing.
One of the many reasons I'm for local loop unbundling. Let the municipalities manage the last mile and allow ISPs to competitively access the consumer.
If our roads are any sort of indicator of quality I might pass on this option.
You state this as if a Comcast road would be better? NO way.
Yeah, has anyone else seen the condition of the privatized toll routes? Forget tire-eating potholes, those are just the starting point!
If those were that bad, why are drivers still using them? I take it the cost of replacing stuff hasn't out weighted the cost of driving alternative routes.
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@dustinb3403 Not comparable situ. Unbundling would let municipalities lease the lines to companies who would maintain them. The local maintenance companies would compete for access, and shitty service would be disincentivezed
