FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
Might be incredibly naive of me, but is there a world in which they pass this nonsense and nuke net neutrality, then an ISP is started that doesn't follow in step with these terribly unethical practices and a lot of providers see a huge loss of business as a consequence of their own actions?
Could be. But in this world that competitive service would be sued into oblivion by the incumbant ISPs.
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@dustinb3403 Not sure how that remotely is related...
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@r3dpand4 those 2 things are far more likely to happen than big ISPs allowing competition.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dustinb3403 Not sure how that remotely is related...
You're expecting buisinesses who've been getting away with everything just do an about face and start playing fair because someone else started off playing fair.
It's unrealistic
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@coliver I mean I suppose that's possible, but you could say the same thing about anything that's going to upset large scale service providers in any industry. When cable/dish subscriptions started losing out to a la carte packaging from other sources they just had to adapt for instance.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver I mean I suppose that's possible, but you could say the same thing about anything that's going to upset large scale service providers in any industry. When cable/dish subscriptions started losing out to a la carte packaging from other sources they just had to adapt for instance.
That's ignoring the entire context of this thread. Yes they just had to adapt. Some of them have taken steps to blocking competitors like Netflix from their network (however briefly) or throttling service so that streaming services would have to pay-to-play with their own content. They don't adapt they are pulled kicking, screaming, and suing.
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@dustinb3403 No I'm not? Where did I say anything about the current ISP's changing their behaviors? It's entirely realistic that a community driven provider could spring up from all of the uproar and we all just jump ship from the bad providers. I never said anything about existing ISP's all of a sudden acting ethically, not sure where you're getting that from.
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@coliver I mean that's fine, they can be as nasty as they want about it along the way, but I don't see that winning out in the long run. My point is that services could and maybe likely would spring up based on their terrible behavior like we've seen in other instances. Especially large organizations will try to do anything and everything they can get away with, I understand that. I'm simply stating that especially with subscription based services, you're 100% based on customer satisfaction. If you're not willing to provide something another provider will people will leave in a heartbeat. I've never met someone who is "loyal" to AT&T, Spectrum, etc. if that's making any sense.
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@rojoloco I mean you could've said the same thing about cell service providers, but look at how many alternatives there are now.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver I mean that's fine, they can be as nasty as they want about it along the way, but I don't see that winning out in the long run. My point is that services could and maybe likely would spring up based on their terrible behavior like we've seen in other instances. Especially large organizations will try to do anything and everything they can get away with, I understand that. I'm simply stating that especially with subscription based services, you're 100% based on customer satisfaction. If you're not willing to provide something another provider will people will leave in a heartbeat. I've never met someone who is "loyal" to AT&T, Spectrum, etc. if that's making any sense.
The problem with this is this new company living through the litigation. Unless you have some huge dollars to allow you to make it past the trench run, it's likely you'll just be forced to fold.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver I mean that's fine, they can be as nasty as they want about it along the way, but I don't see that winning out in the long run. My point is that services could and maybe likely would spring up based on their terrible behavior like we've seen in other instances. Especially large organizations will try to do anything and everything they can get away with, I understand that. I'm simply stating that especially with subscription based services, you're 100% based on customer satisfaction. If you're not willing to provide something another provider will people will leave in a heartbeat. I've never met someone who is "loyal" to AT&T, Spectrum, etc. if that's making any sense.
You have to remember that being right doesn't win law suits in the US. Money does. The incumbant ISPs are sitting on an exuberant amount of money. If this new company has that kind of bank roll good for them but they will be tied up with legal fees and will be unable to do anything infrastructure wise.
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@r3dpand4 Yes, many will jump to a new ISP when and if a viable option were to ever exist, but I'm not holding my breath waiting on the existence of that viable option. The issue here is that you're not nearly cynical enough. I remember being idealistic as well... you'll eventually outgrow it and have a realistic view of the world and how it actually works, then you'll understand that no matter what "laws" get passed, big business and government will stay in bed and continue doing whatever the hell they want.
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@dashrender That's very possible, I could also see people with very large pockets getting involved and providing aid through that process. There have been instances where investors see a business opportunity as well as have the ethical motivation to step in, but yeah that's certainly a concern.
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Even Google/Alphabet is trying to get in the ISP game. They are winning in some cases but even they are being tied up with lawsuits.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender That's very possible, I could also see people with very large pockets getting involved and providing aid through that process. There have been instances where investors see a business opportunity as well as have the ethical motivation to step in, but yeah that's certainly a concern.
You don't seriously think that investors have any ethical motivation beyond making money , do you????????
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@rojoloco said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@dashrender That's very possible, I could also see people with very large pockets getting involved and providing aid through that process. There have been instances where investors see a business opportunity as well as have the ethical motivation to step in, but yeah that's certainly a concern.
You don't seriously think that investors have any ethical motivation beyond making money , do you????????
Some do... but as a whole I doubt the majority do.
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@rojoloco Oh no I agree with you completely, I'm probably not as pessimistic as I ought to be. NN being done away with does terrify me, but I also have seen the online community bend large corporations and governments to their will at times so that's pretty much the only hope I'm holding onto.
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@coliver True, that very well could be the case.
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@r3dpand4 said in FCC Net Neutrality Insanity Continues:
@coliver @RojoLoco It's certainly second tier to the profitability for most I'd assume, but I don't see investors passing on an opportunity where 90+% of the country is horribly dissatisfied with their ISP and not thinking hey this is definitely something we should look into.
NN has nothing to do with no one starting an ISP with better service and policies.
Go do a little historical digging. The incumbents spend a fuckton of money on this every year.
There is a reason that Google Fiber has barely progressed. It is because the incumbents do not want competition and they have litigated it to stagnation. Google has given up, that is why they switched to project Loon.
See my comments about my hometown being fought by Charter.
