Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary:
If I have to turn down every job that I think I may not be qualified for I'd be unemployed. I have no particular strengths, only preferences.
That's because you have a tendency towards the impostor problem. Most SMB shops don't anything that you don't have. Especially if not putting you in the manager hot seat.
I honestly can't tell if it's imposter syndrome or just reality, but im not trying to fork this thread again
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@RojoLoco said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Even though it is possible, it's pretty far from likely to happen. Plus, those of us who are around your age had zero access to these revelations that you now post online. Additionally, many people change their minds about what career to pursue as they go from HS to college or working. Very few people have the laser like focus on "I want my career to be this" when they are in freaking grade school. I think you're failing to look at what actually happens in the real world for the bulk of people that exist. Sure, anyone could do what you did, but how many even know that such a path (skip college, go to work) even exists??? Very few when I was that age. Think about the realistic type of life that the vast majority of people live... it's nothing like yours. That's my point. You are drawing your conclusions based on what a few individuals (like count them on one hand few) have done vs. the other 98%, which is what most of the rest of us here are.
I guess what I never understand in a discussion of this nature is... what difference does "it isn't likely to happen" have to do with what I said? I never said that people following the path that I did was likely. Only that it was open to nearly all people. It's not like I won the lottery and that's how it happened. It's all about choices and options that are widely available.
And yes, few people know about these options, but that's why I'm preaching them all of the time. Because people need to know about them! If the solution was "go to college, get two certs, get a good job and retire" no one would need to say anything because their high school guidance counselor would handle everything for us.
My conclusions are about what is available to people. I never suggest in any way that people HAVE done this, only that they could have.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT for jobs they can't do.
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This is before we even start talking about ageism which I'm sure is even worse in this field.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
So the problem of a lot of "IT People" is generational too because we have an older generation that doesn't know anything about IT thinking the younger generation knows a lot more than they do.
I don't agree with this at all. If anything, what I see is absolutely the opposite. The upcoming generations have SO little IT knowledge, it is going to be a problem as we lose those skills. One of the marks of the newest workers is how computer illiterate they are, much like those that were retiring several years ago. A culture of "it's cool to not understand computers" is currently entrenched (in the US at least) and I can tell you, high school programming classes are often a fraction of the programming today that "basic computing" was when my generation was little.
We used to learn, for at least one generation, about computers. How they worked, what they did. Today, I knew almost no one who knows that stuff under 18 years old that didn't go out and teach themselves.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
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@RojoLoco said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
All that being said, I wouldn't trade the life experiences I've gained by not having a laser focused career path for all the money in the world. If I had gone into any field in middle/high school like you did, I would be a shell of a man, or would have eaten a bullet long ago. Life is for living, not working. I was at least 30 before I had any idea what I wanted to do when/if I ever grew up. Still not 100% sure on that.
I may have always known, but I explored, too. I've run hotels, restaurants, been a newspaper photojournalist (that was those weird big paper things thrown at your house in the morning), worked in medical care (in food service), done sheet metal forming, been an engineer, been a concierge, even a cashier in a grocery store. I was a bag boy for a while, too.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
This is before we even start talking about ageism which I'm sure is even worse in this field.
I'm not sure. I've never seen it. Experience is so critical in IT, hard to believe ageism would be very significant.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
But at least you don't live in FL. That shit blows.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
Does that imply that the spin on your quantum entangled retired twin just changed?
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@RojoLoco said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
But at least you don't live in FL. That shit blows.
Yeah, of the two, I'd take NJ first.
Shudders.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
Does that imply that the spin on your quantum entangled retired twin just changed?
Good for him?
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Back to the OP, I think that you'll find that the SMB typically is a bit lower than median and enterprise is a bit higher than median. There is a generally accepted pay gap between the two. So if you ask the question in an SMB forum (or one frequented by SMB people) you will get one answer. If you asked the same thing in an enterprise forum you'd likely get very different average answers where most everyone is a little higher, rather than a little lower, than median.
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And the SMB/Enterprise gap is in many ways created by an efficiency of utilitzation. SMBs struggle to have IT pros be productive. Enterprises have tons more opportunity to leverage focused skills in ways that SMBs cannot. Has literally nothing to do with the people that they hire but how the businesses themselves operate.
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What? In Italy an average IT guy is on a gross salary <40.000€ even 50.000 is a top notch salary. A lot of guys are well under 35.000
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@matteo-nunziati said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
What? In Italy an average IT guy is on a gross salary <40.000€ even 50.000 is a top notch salary. A lot of guys are well under 35.000
Cost of living is very different though. Homes, food, cars all cost much more in most of the US.
