Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
But at least you don't live in FL. That shit blows.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
Does that imply that the spin on your quantum entangled retired twin just changed?
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@RojoLoco said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
But at least you don't live in FL. That shit blows.
Yeah, of the two, I'd take NJ first.
Shudders.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
Does that imply that the spin on your quantum entangled retired twin just changed?
Good for him?
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Back to the OP, I think that you'll find that the SMB typically is a bit lower than median and enterprise is a bit higher than median. There is a generally accepted pay gap between the two. So if you ask the question in an SMB forum (or one frequented by SMB people) you will get one answer. If you asked the same thing in an enterprise forum you'd likely get very different average answers where most everyone is a little higher, rather than a little lower, than median.
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And the SMB/Enterprise gap is in many ways created by an efficiency of utilitzation. SMBs struggle to have IT pros be productive. Enterprises have tons more opportunity to leverage focused skills in ways that SMBs cannot. Has literally nothing to do with the people that they hire but how the businesses themselves operate.
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What? In Italy an average IT guy is on a gross salary <40.000€ even 50.000 is a top notch salary. A lot of guys are well under 35.000
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@matteo-nunziati said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
What? In Italy an average IT guy is on a gross salary <40.000€ even 50.000 is a top notch salary. A lot of guys are well under 35.000
Cost of living is very different though. Homes, food, cars all cost much more in most of the US.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
What? In Italy an average IT guy is on a gross salary <40.000€ even 50.000 is a top notch salary. A lot of guys are well under 35.000
Keep in mind that that is in line with salaries in non-IT centers of the US. The big salaries are all centered around major IT job centers like NYC, NOVA, Seattle, San Francisco / Silicon Valley and Chicago.
Those high cost centers throw off the medians a bit because it would be like having London, Frankfort and Zurich lumped in. Places that pay very, very high salaries.
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Nope, below median for the state of Texas.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
NOVA
what is NOVA?
Sorry, code name for NOrthern VirginiA. Virginia's state code here is VA, so it makes sense to Americans. NOVA is the metro area on the Virginia side of Washington, D.C., but does not include Washington itself. It's a large metro area with no single center and is the highest IT pay rate in the country, but the work is often terrible. NYC and SF have the best work at similar rates.
NOVA gets the government and military contracts. All of the FBI, CIA, Pentagon and such are located in NOVA and all of their "clearance required" high pay contract work is out there. NOVA is famous for being a contract, rather than an employment, based market and the cost of living is very high and quality, IMHO, is rather low.
I've worked in NOVA for much of my career and it is so awful that I commuted six hours in from New York to not have to live in NOVA.
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Ranges a lot in Wales.
Most jobs I've had in the past I would say I was under paid for the role compared to the city's. But I've been able to live off it so not much of a problem in my eyes.My current job I've just had a rise and would say it's still under what I would get for a similar role in say London, but cost of living is cheaper here so even's out I guess.
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@hobbit666 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Ranges a lot in Wales.
Most jobs I've had in the past I would say I was under paid for the role compared to the city's. But I've been able to live off it so not much of a problem in my eyes.My current job I've just had a rise and would say it's still under what I would get for a similar role in say London, but cost of living is cheaper here so even's out I guess.
That's the same as like Iowa and New York. Iowa or Wales would be low, no big city to raise the rates. NY and England are higher because they have NYC and London to make the rates much higher.
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@hobbit666 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
My current job I've just had a rise and would say it's still under what I would get for a similar role in say London, but cost of living is cheaper here so even's out I guess.
Not even close when you take into account housing costs. The average cost of a house in London is, what, three times that of Wales? There's no way London salaries compensate. I nearly moved to London in 1999 and looked round flats in the centre that I could afford to buy. Regrettably, perhaps, I chose to move north. I couldn't afford anything now. I could commute to London from my current home, but the transport costs would barely cover the extra salary, never mind the extra time I'd have to spend sitting on the train.
The trouble is, there's a lot more jobs in London than Wales!
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this should help rebalance medians per country.
IF I've understood, Italy is something like at 63% of richness compared to USA. So it is expected that our salaries are less good than USA ones.
If this datum is correct on the average, my median here should be around 70-80k$ * 0.63, which leads to 44-50 k$.
translating at change rate € vs $, it's 37-47 k€.
nowdays I'm definitively a bit over. This makes sense and fits with my previous figures. Anyway I agree that here big companies generate a shift, as the perception in SMB is that the range is lowered by a 7k€ (give one take one).
In the past I was probably in the left tail of the bell (around 35k€). But I'm cosidering going that back. More fun and curriculum growth than now. And my home bills seem to fit in that lower area.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Not even close when you take into account housing costs. The average cost of a house in London is, what, three times that of Wales?
Wales can't be that expensive!
