Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median
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This is before we even start talking about ageism which I'm sure is even worse in this field.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
So the problem of a lot of "IT People" is generational too because we have an older generation that doesn't know anything about IT thinking the younger generation knows a lot more than they do.
I don't agree with this at all. If anything, what I see is absolutely the opposite. The upcoming generations have SO little IT knowledge, it is going to be a problem as we lose those skills. One of the marks of the newest workers is how computer illiterate they are, much like those that were retiring several years ago. A culture of "it's cool to not understand computers" is currently entrenched (in the US at least) and I can tell you, high school programming classes are often a fraction of the programming today that "basic computing" was when my generation was little.
We used to learn, for at least one generation, about computers. How they worked, what they did. Today, I knew almost no one who knows that stuff under 18 years old that didn't go out and teach themselves.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
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@RojoLoco said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
All that being said, I wouldn't trade the life experiences I've gained by not having a laser focused career path for all the money in the world. If I had gone into any field in middle/high school like you did, I would be a shell of a man, or would have eaten a bullet long ago. Life is for living, not working. I was at least 30 before I had any idea what I wanted to do when/if I ever grew up. Still not 100% sure on that.
I may have always known, but I explored, too. I've run hotels, restaurants, been a newspaper photojournalist (that was those weird big paper things thrown at your house in the morning), worked in medical care (in food service), done sheet metal forming, been an engineer, been a concierge, even a cashier in a grocery store. I was a bag boy for a while, too.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
This is before we even start talking about ageism which I'm sure is even worse in this field.
I'm not sure. I've never seen it. Experience is so critical in IT, hard to believe ageism would be very significant.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
But at least you don't live in FL. That shit blows.
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@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
Does that imply that the spin on your quantum entangled retired twin just changed?
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@RojoLoco said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
But at least you don't live in FL. That shit blows.
Yeah, of the two, I'd take NJ first.
Shudders.
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@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@wirestyle22 said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
Information Technology is only going to get more annoying. Think about who are the worst users to support. People who used to do IT. We're going to get a couple of generations in and these kids are going to know more and more but not in a real way, in an annoying way where they think they know.
Not sure what you mean here. What kids and what will they know more of?
Example is streamers knowing about packet loss. Older generation thinks the IT equivalent of opening a hard to open jar of peanut butter "you're so good at the computer jonathan"
These are the kids getting hired in IT.
I think you are thinking of retirees. Where are you finding this older generation in the workforce? Maybe if you are employees those in the 70+ range. But at 60 and under today, you are dealing with a generation that always had computers, too. Maybe not as babies, but their meaningful lives.
That is not what I have experienced, but I live inside a very violent bubble here in NJ. At least I don't live in Florida.
One is just a cold version of the other. Whenever we go to FLA, it's NJ accents everywhere. It's really two locations of the same place. Quantum entanglement at the human level.
Well, I'm dead inside
Does that imply that the spin on your quantum entangled retired twin just changed?
Good for him?
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Back to the OP, I think that you'll find that the SMB typically is a bit lower than median and enterprise is a bit higher than median. There is a generally accepted pay gap between the two. So if you ask the question in an SMB forum (or one frequented by SMB people) you will get one answer. If you asked the same thing in an enterprise forum you'd likely get very different average answers where most everyone is a little higher, rather than a little lower, than median.
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And the SMB/Enterprise gap is in many ways created by an efficiency of utilitzation. SMBs struggle to have IT pros be productive. Enterprises have tons more opportunity to leverage focused skills in ways that SMBs cannot. Has literally nothing to do with the people that they hire but how the businesses themselves operate.
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What? In Italy an average IT guy is on a gross salary <40.000€ even 50.000 is a top notch salary. A lot of guys are well under 35.000
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@matteo-nunziati said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
What? In Italy an average IT guy is on a gross salary <40.000€ even 50.000 is a top notch salary. A lot of guys are well under 35.000
Cost of living is very different though. Homes, food, cars all cost much more in most of the US.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
What? In Italy an average IT guy is on a gross salary <40.000€ even 50.000 is a top notch salary. A lot of guys are well under 35.000
Keep in mind that that is in line with salaries in non-IT centers of the US. The big salaries are all centered around major IT job centers like NYC, NOVA, Seattle, San Francisco / Silicon Valley and Chicago.
Those high cost centers throw off the medians a bit because it would be like having London, Frankfort and Zurich lumped in. Places that pay very, very high salaries.
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Nope, below median for the state of Texas.
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@matteo-nunziati said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
@scottalanmiller said in Salary, Are You At Your Areas Median:
NOVA
what is NOVA?
Sorry, code name for NOrthern VirginiA. Virginia's state code here is VA, so it makes sense to Americans. NOVA is the metro area on the Virginia side of Washington, D.C., but does not include Washington itself. It's a large metro area with no single center and is the highest IT pay rate in the country, but the work is often terrible. NYC and SF have the best work at similar rates.
NOVA gets the government and military contracts. All of the FBI, CIA, Pentagon and such are located in NOVA and all of their "clearance required" high pay contract work is out there. NOVA is famous for being a contract, rather than an employment, based market and the cost of living is very high and quality, IMHO, is rather low.
I've worked in NOVA for much of my career and it is so awful that I commuted six hours in from New York to not have to live in NOVA.
