Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016
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@scottalanmiller I guess I can imagine the last IT guy was so wrapped up on this he paid for Office 365 himself and moved them to the cloud while lying to them about it. So yeah, at the end of the day its a job.
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@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@scottalanmiller I guess I can imagine the last IT guy was so wrapped up on this he paid for Office 365 himself and moved them to the cloud while lying to them about it. So yeah, at the end of the day its a job.
Very likely. He probably was so passionate about something he wasn't paid or supposed to care about that he tried to fix things that they would not let him fix. While that is a huge mistake, it's only a mistake in "having done things better" and using his own money to invest in the company where they would not invest themselves.
So they are now planning to pay for you to cripple them out of spite to the last guy just because he cared too much?
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I can not divine the machinations of our leadership. Only that they have worked together themselves for about 50 years and on hearing of the past transgression immediately wanted to the wrong righted.
Any attempt to validate the cloud is now tainted by that potentially validating arguments they likely had with the previous employee.
My wife really put it in perspective for me. Ha
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@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
I can not divine the machinations of our leadership. Only that they have worked together themselves for about 50 years and on hearing of the past transgression immediately wanted to the wrong righted.
Any attempt to validate the cloud is now tainted by that potentially validating arguments they likely had with the previous employee.
My wife really put it in perspective for me. Ha
Yeah, the real trick is taking the time to analyze on your own and know what "good looks like" and know what they should be doing. But don't try to "take ownership" of their network. It's not yours. It's not important. They classify their network as a hobby, you should too. It's their network, their perception of it is all that matters. Your desire to run the network better than matters to them, while nice, is neither your job nor in your personal interest nor, in reality, in theirs. They prioritize "being in charge" higher than "listening to good advice" or "making money". That is, 100%, their decision and it is not wrong. It's insane, but it isn't wrong.
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Cripple them? Insane?
We're still talking about on-premise Exchange here?
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@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@Minion-Queen sure thing. I am not sure I would ever sell these guys on this but it definitely is interesting pricing. Was thinking more about limits on minutes etc. Seems like a good approach because the Vonage Business and Ring Central's of the world our out of their minds.
Just FYI I think @Minion-Queen 's solutions is a bring your own trunk. So you would still be paying for minutes etc.
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@coliver said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@Minion-Queen sure thing. I am not sure I would ever sell these guys on this but it definitely is interesting pricing. Was thinking more about limits on minutes etc. Seems like a good approach because the Vonage Business and Ring Central's of the world our out of their minds.
Just FYI I think @Minion-Queen 's solutions is a bring your own trunk. So you would still be paying for minutes etc.
Or mine. And I can beat her price just once just to say so
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@JaredBusch said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@coliver said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@Minion-Queen sure thing. I am not sure I would ever sell these guys on this but it definitely is interesting pricing. Was thinking more about limits on minutes etc. Seems like a good approach because the Vonage Business and Ring Central's of the world our out of their minds.
Just FYI I think @Minion-Queen 's solutions is a bring your own trunk. So you would still be paying for minutes etc.
Or mine. And I can beat her price just once just to say so
Beat her price once? Or you're just saying it once?
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@coliver Gotcha. Given what I have read of @scottalanmiller it would be well worth it to have that support behind it.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
Cripple them? Insane?
We're still talking about on-premise Exchange here?
Exactly. Crippling them in the obvious ways...
- Wasting money
- Not having 24x7 support
- Not having dedicated Exchange specialists
- Not having one of the most reliable email transports
- Tying up critical IT resources that are needed for making the company competitive
- Removing flexibility and agility
Yes, very much crippling. There is a reason that we take these things so seriously. On premises email just for its own sake is nutty. If there is a valid reason, of course it has to be done, but it comes with inherent caveats that are pretty major.
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@JaredBusch Is BundyIT your business? Following through to profiles here.
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@coliver said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@Minion-Queen sure thing. I am not sure I would ever sell these guys on this but it definitely is interesting pricing. Was thinking more about limits on minutes etc. Seems like a good approach because the Vonage Business and Ring Central's of the world our out of their minds.
Just FYI I think @Minion-Queen 's solutions is a bring your own trunk. So you would still be paying for minutes etc.
If you get a per minute trunk. There are other options. But per minute is always going to be the cheapest.
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@magroover @Bundy-Associates is the tag, but it just gives me email notifications.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
Insane?
When do you feel that spitefully hurting yourself to get back at the imagined wrongs that an ex-employee did in a personal attempt to protect you from your own irrational decision making isn't insane? I truly mean.. insane. No rational reasoning provided, not acting in their own self interest, not acting in even an obviously mistaken way, not following the advice from the expert that they pay to be their only source of good information... the number of irrational things leading here are pretty big.
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@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@Tim_G lol. This become such a persistent thought that I brought it up with my wife. The reply was something like "You need to do whatever they say and keep them happy, are you crazy?"
Then I told her I would actually get a lot of overtime out of it and she was "OMG Why is this even bothering you".
I never said not to do it. In short, I said it's a bad decision of management to do it on-prem, but if you need to do it on-prem, then do it right, as best you can!
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@coliver said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@Minion-Queen sure thing. I am not sure I would ever sell these guys on this but it definitely is interesting pricing. Was thinking more about limits on minutes etc. Seems like a good approach because the Vonage Business and Ring Central's of the world our out of their minds.
Just FYI I think @Minion-Queen 's solutions is a bring your own trunk. So you would still be paying for minutes etc.
Actually not entirely true We have options now to do this as well....
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@Minion-Queen said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@coliver said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
@Minion-Queen sure thing. I am not sure I would ever sell these guys on this but it definitely is interesting pricing. Was thinking more about limits on minutes etc. Seems like a good approach because the Vonage Business and Ring Central's of the world our out of their minds.
Just FYI I think @Minion-Queen 's solutions is a bring your own trunk. So you would still be paying for minutes etc.
Actually not entirely true We have options now to do this as well....
Well this option always exists, but I would never want to do more than have the usage on a direct pass through. I am not a phone company or reseller.
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@Tim_G It is a bad decision.
I am working up the nerves to call an IT planning meeting. I have an Agenda worked up;
- IT productivity goals for 2017
- Security and Usage policies to update Employee Handbook
- Review short term and long term IT budgets (Ha)
- Review communications compliance for all messaging and communication channels (Double Ha)
- Actual writing an Information Access Policy (Maybe this will be me triple HA)
I have a thought, and it could be way off base. Perhaps the owners believe by having the email server here that we have better control over roaming access to our data. There is a better word for this and it escapes me right now. Its driving me nuts. It's akin to Digital Rights Management.
I have also decided that instead of discussing Office 365 I am going to refer to it as a Hybrid Deployment and then use the term compliance a lot.
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@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
I have a thought, and it could be way off base. Perhaps the owners believe by having the email server here that we have better control over roaming access to our data. There is a better word for this and it escapes me right now. Its driving me nuts. It's akin to Digital Rights Management.
Governance?
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@magroover said in Moving from Exchange Online Plan 1 to In House Exchange 2016:
I have also decided that instead of discussing Office 365 I am going to refer to it as a Hybrid Deployment and then use the term compliance a lot.
Or use terms like "do it like the CIA does", because the CIA uses O365.
