What Are You Watching Now
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
To have and do (hope really in this case) that something occurs so you can react in an overzealous way does not make one a racist.
No, being overzealous does not make one a racist. Racism has to already be there, the overzealous thing just exposes it.
That's like saying no one is excited to go on vacation, you just have to always be excited.
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.
In order for overzealousness to be expressed as racism, you have to already have been racist. Simply being overzealous would not make you racist. Your view seems to be that anytime someone is stressed, racist actions are the result without there being any logical reason. That simple makes no sense.
No matter how mad he was because of the rape, no matter how much that makes him want to take action, none of it should have led to a racist action. That the action that he took was racist, not general, is what makes it racist, not that he tried to take action.
Had it been purely overzealousness in the same way, just a desire to lash out, he would have wandered any neighbourhood that was unsafe waiting for anyone to attack him.
See the difference between overzealousness and overzealous racism?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
Has he continued down a road of racism and hated? Has be been discovered in a KKK outfit or blackface or continued down a path of hating people of color?
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
We don't know if he has continued down that path. We have no idea. What we do know is that when stressed, he went to clear racism. And that when not stressed in that way, he's controlled it since like he controlled it before. At least to the extent of not getting caught.
What your KKK or blackface bit has to do with the discussion, again, none of us know.
The governor who refuses to resign and is clearly a racist. Has no reported instance of something awful in his life going on to even offer a means of an excuse to condone the behavior.
My stance is Liam, at least has a reason to have a hatred for someone of color and worked through that hatred over a long time.
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All racism is irrational. So saying that someone was acting irrationally as an excuse is irrational. Completely senseless.
You can't be rational and be racist, the two don't go together. Rationalism will always lead you away from racism.
So if you see irrationality as an excuse for racism, then you excuse all racism.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
You're not even understanding your own point. If you agree with me about 9-11 you must agree that you're a racist.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
Has he continued down a road of racism and hated? Has be been discovered in a KKK outfit or blackface or continued down a path of hating people of color?
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
We don't know if he has continued down that path. We have no idea. What we do know is that when stressed, he went to clear racism. And that when not stressed in that way, he's controlled it since like he controlled it before. At least to the extent of not getting caught.
What your KKK or blackface bit has to do with the discussion, again, none of us know.
The governor who refuses to resign and is clearly a racist. Has no reported instance of something awful in his life going on to even offer a means of an excuse to condone the behavior.
I agree that he's certainly a racist, there is little doubt there. But to think that it is rational or that he has no "excuse" is a bit crazy. We have no reason to assume those things. Obviously he is irrational. And maybe there was stress.
But NO amount of stress EVER excuses racism. Ever. Period. None.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
You're not even understanding your own point. If you agree with me about 9-11 you must agree that you're a racist.
Wow, how did I become a racist for that?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
My stance is Liam, at least has a reason to have a hatred for someone of color and worked through that hatred over a long time.
He has reason to hate one man who was black. That's unrelated to hated any other black person. Racism is taking that hatred of one person and extending it to their race. Which he did. Ergo, the problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
You're not even understanding your own point. If you agree with me about 9-11 you must agree that you're a racist.
Wow, how did I become a racist for that?
Because by the logic in this very topic, you said you agree that Muslims must be racists because of 9-11 and thus you condoned the war.
It's the same thought process.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
You're not even understanding your own point. If you agree with me about 9-11 you must agree that you're a racist.
Wow, how did I become a racist for that?
Because by the logic in this very topic, you said you agree that Muslims must be racists because of 9-11 and thus you condoned the war.
It's the same thought process.
- Muslim isn't a race.
- In what way did I agree that Muslims were racist, and against what race?
- How did I condone a war based on racism when I've clearly said racism is wrong. That's what I'm arguing, unlike you, I'm not defending racism.
- The actions of 911 are unrelated to the following war.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
My stance is Liam, at least has a reason to have a hatred for someone of color and worked through that hatred over a long time.
He has reason to hate one man who was black. That's unrelated to hated any other black person. Racism is taking that hatred of one person and extending it to their race. Which he did. Ergo, the problem.
You just asked, "how did I become racist for that" yet you've answered the very question.
You should hate just the few terrorist who hijacked the planes and crashed them. Instead you've stated you condoned the war.
That means you hate all Muslims.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
You should hate just the few terrorist who hijacked the planes and crashed them. Instead you've stated you condoned the war.
But I only do hate those terrorists. Where did you get anything further?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
That means you hate all Muslims.
Muslims are not a race. And I don't hate any Muslims. Where have you gotten any of that?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
That means you hate all Muslims.
Muslims are not a race. And I don't hate any Muslims. Where have you gotten any of that?
Now you're getting into the semantics of the words when you realize you've backed yourself into a corner.
You are aware that people are Racist and hate Muslims. Yes? And granted participating in the Muslim religion doesn't make you a type of person.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
That means you hate all Muslims.
Muslims are not a race. And I don't hate any Muslims. Where have you gotten any of that?
Now you're getting into the semantics of the words when you realize you've backed yourself into a corner.
You are aware that people are Racist and hate Muslims. Yes? And granted participating in the Muslim religion doesn't make you a type of person.
This does still mean that you are a racist.
Much like participants in ISIS hate all Americans.
Americans aren't a race, but it would still be classified as Racism.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
That means you hate all Muslims.
Muslims are not a race. And I don't hate any Muslims. Where have you gotten any of that?
Now you're getting into the semantics of the words when you realize you've backed yourself into a corner.
Um, what? LOL You accused me of having a religious hatred in a conversation about racism about feelings I never had.
What corner?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
You are aware that people are Racist and hate Muslims. Yes? And granted participating in the Muslim religion doesn't make you a type of person.
As two distinct actions, yes.
And correct, being Muslim tells us nothing about the race, feelings, or type of person a person is.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
That means you hate all Muslims.
Muslims are not a race. And I don't hate any Muslims. Where have you gotten any of that?
Now you're getting into the semantics of the words when you realize you've backed yourself into a corner.
You are aware that people are Racist and hate Muslims. Yes? And granted participating in the Muslim religion doesn't make you a type of person.
This does still mean that you are a racist.
What means I'm a racist? There is something fundamentally missing here. You think I'm a racist while not hating any group: race or otherwise?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
That means you hate all Muslims.
Muslims are not a race. And I don't hate any Muslims. Where have you gotten any of that?
Now you're getting into the semantics of the words when you realize you've backed yourself into a corner.
Um, what? LOL You accused me of having a religious hatred in a conversation about racism about feelings I never had.
What corner?
The corner of you having admitted to condoning a war in a country based on the believe that people who attacked the US were Muslim.
And you're attempting to stick to the most direct application of the definition of racism as being "by skin color only" when racism is equally applied to "hating anyone of a particular group, faction, skin, religion or other identifier".
