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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
He had thoughts of attacking and beating any person of color he came across. He was pissed, much like America was after 9-11. He didn't go and beat a person of color to death.
Having irrational thoughts during a time of turmoil is natural and he learned that his thought process was flawed and he's worked to correct it.
All racism is irrational. More importantly, he admitted to acting on those thoughts. It is the actions that make it more than just thoughts.
Now, he didn't just try to assault anyone. He was hoping to be attacked first, which is a good way to do it. Not like he was looking for a totally innocent person. But he made 4 or 5 attempts to retaliate against a race. That's action, not thoughts.
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People are allowed to have emotional reactions and thoughts during times of turmoil.
His action was walking around, hoping to get assaulted by a person of color and hoping to be able to use self-defence as a means to protect himself from the law. Which that is premeditated, absolutely. But he didn't go and beat a random bystander to death.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
People are allowed to have emotional reactions and thoughts during times of turmoil.
Sure, and if those actions are racist, they get exposed. It's not a crime to be racist, but it is still racist.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
His action was walking around, hoping to get assaulted by a person of color and hoping to be able to use self-defence as a means to protect himself from the law. Which that is premeditated, absolutely. But he didn't go and beat a random bystander to death.
It doesn't require murder to have done something racist. His thoughts and actions were against one race. That's what racism is.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
His action was walking around, hoping to get assaulted by a person of color and hoping to be able to use self-defence as a means to protect himself from the law. Which that is premeditated, absolutely. But he didn't go and beat a random bystander to death.
It doesn't require murder to have done something racist. His thoughts and actions were against one race. That's what racism is.
I'm not arguing what racism is. I'm arguing his actions and thought process at the time was influenced by turmoil in his life at the time.
To have and do (hope really in this case) that something occurs so you can react in an overzealous way does not make one a racist.
It makes them an emotional and unstable (at least for the time) person.
Has he continued down a road of racism and hated? Has be been discovered in a KKK outfit or blackface or continued down a path of hating people of color?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
His action was walking around, hoping to get assaulted by a person of color and hoping to be able to use self-defence as a means to protect himself from the law. Which that is premeditated, absolutely. But he didn't go and beat a random bystander to death.
It doesn't require murder to have done something racist. His thoughts and actions were against one race. That's what racism is.
I'm not arguing what racism is. I'm arguing his actions and thought process at the time was influenced by turmoil in his life at the time.
That can't be arguing as no one else has or is talking about that. That's just random statements. Yes, we all knew automatically that his racism was exposed because of turmoil and stress, no one questioned that. We are confused why it was brought up and why you think it's an argument of some kind.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
To have and do (hope really in this case) that something occurs so you can react in an overzealous way does not make one a racist.
No, being overzealous does not make one a racist. Racism has to already be there, the overzealous thing just exposes it.
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You're specifically stating that circumstance and life events have no bearing on a person and a truly non-racist person would never consider just attacking anyone who somewhat matched the description of a perpetrator of a crime.
Let me ask you, did you have any bad thoughts at all about any middle eastern person when 9-11 occured? Did anyone you know personally and were close with die in the attack and did you want to retaliate in kind?
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
To have and do (hope really in this case) that something occurs so you can react in an overzealous way does not make one a racist.
No, being overzealous does not make one a racist. Racism has to already be there, the overzealous thing just exposes it.
That's like saying no one is excited to go on vacation, you just have to always be excited.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
Has he continued down a road of racism and hated? Has be been discovered in a KKK outfit or blackface or continued down a path of hating people of color?
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
We don't know if he has continued down that path. We have no idea. What we do know is that when stressed, he went to clear racism. And that when not stressed in that way, he's controlled it since like he controlled it before. At least to the extent of not getting caught.
What your KKK or blackface bit has to do with the discussion, again, none of us know.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
To have and do (hope really in this case) that something occurs so you can react in an overzealous way does not make one a racist.
No, being overzealous does not make one a racist. Racism has to already be there, the overzealous thing just exposes it.
That's like saying no one is excited to go on vacation, you just have to always be excited.
I don't even know what this is supposed to mean.
In order for overzealousness to be expressed as racism, you have to already have been racist. Simply being overzealous would not make you racist. Your view seems to be that anytime someone is stressed, racist actions are the result without there being any logical reason. That simple makes no sense.
No matter how mad he was because of the rape, no matter how much that makes him want to take action, none of it should have led to a racist action. That the action that he took was racist, not general, is what makes it racist, not that he tried to take action.
Had it been purely overzealousness in the same way, just a desire to lash out, he would have wandered any neighbourhood that was unsafe waiting for anyone to attack him.
See the difference between overzealousness and overzealous racism?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
Has he continued down a road of racism and hated? Has be been discovered in a KKK outfit or blackface or continued down a path of hating people of color?
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
We don't know if he has continued down that path. We have no idea. What we do know is that when stressed, he went to clear racism. And that when not stressed in that way, he's controlled it since like he controlled it before. At least to the extent of not getting caught.
What your KKK or blackface bit has to do with the discussion, again, none of us know.
The governor who refuses to resign and is clearly a racist. Has no reported instance of something awful in his life going on to even offer a means of an excuse to condone the behavior.
My stance is Liam, at least has a reason to have a hatred for someone of color and worked through that hatred over a long time.
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All racism is irrational. So saying that someone was acting irrationally as an excuse is irrational. Completely senseless.
You can't be rational and be racist, the two don't go together. Rationalism will always lead you away from racism.
So if you see irrationality as an excuse for racism, then you excuse all racism.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
You're not even understanding your own point. If you agree with me about 9-11 you must agree that you're a racist.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
Has he continued down a road of racism and hated? Has be been discovered in a KKK outfit or blackface or continued down a path of hating people of color?
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
We don't know if he has continued down that path. We have no idea. What we do know is that when stressed, he went to clear racism. And that when not stressed in that way, he's controlled it since like he controlled it before. At least to the extent of not getting caught.
What your KKK or blackface bit has to do with the discussion, again, none of us know.
The governor who refuses to resign and is clearly a racist. Has no reported instance of something awful in his life going on to even offer a means of an excuse to condone the behavior.
I agree that he's certainly a racist, there is little doubt there. But to think that it is rational or that he has no "excuse" is a bit crazy. We have no reason to assume those things. Obviously he is irrational. And maybe there was stress.
But NO amount of stress EVER excuses racism. Ever. Period. None.
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
You're not even understanding your own point. If you agree with me about 9-11 you must agree that you're a racist.
Wow, how did I become a racist for that?
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
My stance is Liam, at least has a reason to have a hatred for someone of color and worked through that hatred over a long time.
He has reason to hate one man who was black. That's unrelated to hated any other black person. Racism is taking that hatred of one person and extending it to their race. Which he did. Ergo, the problem.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Watching Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Watching Now:
I think the problem here is that you feel that racism must be overt and extreme, but if it is just occasional or kept under control that it doesn't exist?
Not at all. I think the guy was pissed that a family member being raped by a reported black person and that he wanted to vent his frustration in an irrational method.
Much like the US did when we went to war over 9-11. Same exact irrational racist bullshit.
Exactly. Racist. You are repeating our points.
You're not even understanding your own point. If you agree with me about 9-11 you must agree that you're a racist.
Wow, how did I become a racist for that?
Because by the logic in this very topic, you said you agree that Muslims must be racists because of 9-11 and thus you condoned the war.
It's the same thought process.
