Solved PoE to USB for a Raspberry Pi
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@travisdh1 said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
I'm pretty ure the ER-X is passive POE, not standard IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at
It is, I have a different model. Actually, I think it's an ER-POE, not ER-X-SFP like I said in the first post, doh.
Big difference
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@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@travisdh1 said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
I'm pretty ure the ER-X is passive POE, not standard IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at
It is, I have a different model. Actually, I think it's an ER-POE, not ER-X-SFP like I said in the first post, doh.
Big difference
Yep, kinda like the Mississippi River in Louisiana is small kinda difference.
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@travisdh1 said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@travisdh1 said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
I'm pretty ure the ER-X is passive POE, not standard IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at
It is, I have a different model. Actually, I think it's an ER-POE, not ER-X-SFP like I said in the first post, doh.
Big difference
Yep, kinda like the Mississippi River in Louisiana is small kinda difference.
I don't get the reference.
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@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@travisdh1 said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@travisdh1 said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
I'm pretty ure the ER-X is passive POE, not standard IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at
It is, I have a different model. Actually, I think it's an ER-POE, not ER-X-SFP like I said in the first post, doh.
Big difference
Yep, kinda like the Mississippi River in Louisiana is small kinda difference.
I don't get the reference.
Apparently I'm doing bad analogies, that river is absolutely huge. Kinda like the slight difference between the SFP and POE model routers.
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@travisdh1 said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@travisdh1 said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
I'm pretty ure the ER-X is passive POE, not standard IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at
It is, I have a different model. Actually, I think it's an ER-POE, not ER-X-SFP like I said in the first post, doh.
Big difference
Yep, kinda like the Mississippi River in Louisiana is small kinda difference.
It's small if you are from New York or Brazil.
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@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
I'm pretty ure the ER-X is passive POE, not standard IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at
The ER-X is not PoE at all. It can draw power from a PoE injector, and it can pass through that PoE to eth4, but it does not provide PoE
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@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
I'm pretty ure the ER-X is passive POE, not standard IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at
The ER-X is not PoE at all. It can draw power from a PoE injector, and it can pass through that PoE to eth4, but it does not provide PoE
Actually, sorry sir, you are mistaken. If you plug into the way, you do get POE out on the POE out port.
at 13:20 into this video he shows it working. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SianDqAQaR0 -
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
I'm pretty ure the ER-X is passive POE, not standard IEEE 802.3af and 802.3at
The ER-X is not PoE at all. It can draw power from a PoE injector, and it can pass through that PoE to eth4, but it does not provide PoE
Actually, sorry sir, you are mistaken. If you plug into the way, you do get POE out on the POE out port.
at 13:20 into this video he shows it working.I can show all kinds of things working that are not designed for such.
The ER-X does not provide PoE. The ER-X is PoE passthrough.
The ER-X-SFP provides PoE.
http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_X_DS.pdf
As for you video. Basic math will tell you that trying to do what he showed will fry your shit. A UAP-AC-LITE has a maximum power draw of 24V @ 6.5W which comes to a raw 0.27A. To produce 0.27A at 24V, the 12V adapter will need to use somewhere around 0.5A. The ER-X also has a listed maximum draw of 5W which works out to 0.41A The power brick is listed at 0.5A and you have a total draw of around 0.9A.
Just because someone on the internet plugs something in, and it works, does not mean it is a good idea to do so.
As for why it actually works? Well Ubiquiti does provide PoE on the SFP model, and the boards are the same minus that add on. So they probably never thought to put in something to disable it.
But when you burn your house down, it will not be their fault.
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@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
As for you video. Basic math will tell you that trying to do what he showed will fry your shit.
I agree that long term using the included power brick is probably a bad idea for the reasons you mentioned, the instructions, as shown in the video so specifically say, if you use a 12w brick, you can do 24V Passive POE on that port.
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@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
But when you burn your house down, it will not be their fault.
LOL do dramatic.
But, again, as the video showed - if you purchase a 12W power brick, then it is fully supported with no risk of a lack of amperage, and not more risk of house burning down than the ER-X SFP.
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@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
As for you video. Basic math will tell you that trying to do what he showed will fry your shit.
I agree that long term using the included power brick is probably a bad idea for the reasons you mentioned, the instructions, as shown in the video so specifically say, if you use a 12w brick, you can do 24V Passive POE on that port.
FFS would you just stop already? Electricity is math not magic. Continuing to use a 12VAC power source will certainly fry your ER-X because of all the heat generated by the unit up converting a voltage level it is not designed to do. Using a higher watt supply does not change that fact.
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@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
But when you burn your house down, it will not be their fault.
LOL do dramatic.
But, again, as the video showed - if you purchase a 12W power brick, then it is fully supported with no risk of a lack of amperage, and not more risk of house burning down than the ER-X SFP.
F***, no. The ER-X-SFP uses a 24VDC power supply. Why do you think that is FFS?
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@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
As for you video. Basic math will tell you that trying to do what he showed will fry your shit.
I agree that long term using the included power brick is probably a bad idea for the reasons you mentioned, the instructions, as shown in the video so specifically say, if you use a 12w brick, you can do 24V Passive POE on that port.
FFS would you just stop already? Electricity is math not magic. Continuing to use a 12VAC power source will certainly fry your ER-X because of all the heat generated by the unit up converting a voltage level it is not designed to do. Using a higher watt supply does not change that fact.
FFS yourself - the damned instructions say it can do this! Are you saying they have listed this as a specific allowable thing, and it's going to burn up because of an an upconvert issue?
You don't think the SFP model is also doing upconvert, but just happens to come with a 12W+ power brick?
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@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
But when you burn your house down, it will not be their fault.
LOL do dramatic.
But, again, as the video showed - if you purchase a 12W power brick, then it is fully supported with no risk of a lack of amperage, and not more risk of house burning down than the ER-X SFP.
F***, no. The ER-X-SFP uses a 24VDC power supply. Why do you think that is FFS?
I still point you to the manual.
But assuming you're right that the boards between these are probably the same, then you could use a 24VDC power brick for the ER-X and problem solved.
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@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
As for you video. Basic math will tell you that trying to do what he showed will fry your shit.
I agree that long term using the included power brick is probably a bad idea for the reasons you mentioned, the instructions, as shown in the video so specifically say, if you use a 12w brick, you can do 24V Passive POE on that port.
FFS would you just stop already? Electricity is math not magic. Continuing to use a 12VAC power source will certainly fry your ER-X because of all the heat generated by the unit up converting a voltage level it is not designed to do. Using a higher watt supply does not change that fact.
FFS yourself - the damned instructions say it can do this! Are you saying they have listed this as a specific allowable thing, and it's going to burn up because of an an upconvert issue?
What instructions? it is not on their data sheet. And yes it will toast it.
You don't think the SFP model is also doing upconvert, but just happens to come with a 12W+ power brick?
No the SFP uses a 24VDC supply.
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@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
What instructions? it is not on their data sheet. And yes it will toast it.
Did you even watch the video - he showed Ubiquiti's own documentation stating that this was allowable using a not included 12W power brick.
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@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
What instructions? it is not on their data sheet. And yes it will toast it.
Did you even watch the video - he showed Ubiquiti's own documentation stating that this was allowable using a not included 12W power brick.
I watched the time you mentioned, and turned it off as stupid.
Show me the document that supports it and then I will let you do it. But barring that, Ubiquiti's datasheet (linked above) does not list it as a choice.
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@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
Show me the document that supports it and then I will let you do it. But barring that, Ubiquiti's datasheet (linked above) does not list it as a choice.
uhmmmm.
page 2 of your own link http://dl.ubnt.com/datasheets/edgemax/EdgeRouter_X_DS.pdf
https://i.imgur.com/uOaEFLh.png
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@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
Show me the document that supports it and then I will let you do it. But barring that, Ubiquiti's datasheet (linked above) does not list it as a choice.
uhmmmm.
page 2 of your own link
Great. Next time they should put it on the actual specifications instead of a footnote on a random graphic.
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@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@Dashrender said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
@JaredBusch said in PoE to USB for a Rasspberri Pi:
Show me the document that supports it and then I will let you do it. But barring that, Ubiquiti's datasheet (linked above) does not list it as a choice.
uhmmmm.
page 2 of your own link
Great. Next time they should put it on the actual specifications instead of a footnote on a random graphic.
LOL - this was pointed to very specifically in the video you so quickly dismissed. The video guy just decided to try his 6w power brick and got lucky... there was nearly just as much chance it wouldn't work... but he found the documentation that said it would before he even tried.
