Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal
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BTW, thanks for the writeup. Very good job.
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@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
One other thing @JaredBusch and I discussed was the location in /opt and opposed to /var
In theory, it should not matter.
@scottalanmiller there was a discussion in a thread here a couple years ago around using
/opt/for wordpress installs. but I cannot find it. I think there was a reasoning from someone in there for that location. -
@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
One other thing @JaredBusch and I discussed was the location in /opt and opposed to /var
In theory, it should not matter.
@scottalanmiller there was a discussion in a thread here a couple years ago around using
/opt/for wordpress installs. but I cannot find it. I think there was a reasoning from someone in there for that location.Only thing I know of is that YUM using that location. But have no idea why.
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Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_ApplicationsWeb Applications
Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:
- /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
- Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
- /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
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@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_ApplicationsWeb Applications
Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:
- /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
- Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
- /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.
No idea about the hierarchy.
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@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_ApplicationsWeb Applications
Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:
- /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
- Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
- /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.
No idea about the hierarchy.
Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challengeNow I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.
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@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_ApplicationsWeb Applications
Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:
- /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
- Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
- /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.
No idea about the hierarchy.
Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challengeNow I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.
I have a feeling that it was or is the nginx default directory.
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@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_ApplicationsWeb Applications
Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:
- /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
- Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
- /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.
No idea about the hierarchy.
Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challengeNow I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.
I ask about it after seing your guide and you choosing /opt for the instalation
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@Romo said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_ApplicationsWeb Applications
Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:
- /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
- Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
- /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.
No idea about the hierarchy.
Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challengeNow I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.
I ask about it after seing your guide and you choosing /opt for the instalation
And as you can see from my link above, @scottalanmiller's answer in your thread is not helpful. He simply stated standards. But what standard is the question.
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@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@JaredBusch said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Looking into things I found this link. Granted this is about packaging for RPM but still.
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging:Guidelines#Web_ApplicationsWeb Applications
Web applications packaged in Fedora should put their content into /usr/share/%{name} and NOT into /var/www/. This is done because:
- /var is supposed to contain variable data files and logs. /usr/share is much more appropriate for this.
- Many users already have content in /var/www, and we do not want any Fedora package to step on top of that.
- /var/www is no longer specified by the Filesystem Hierarchy Standard
Hmmm... point two I understand. It's already in use. But it was always in /var specifically because it is variable data, that's where upload caches and stuff go.
No idea about the hierarchy.
Looks like I got the /opt thing from you. Your LEMP challenge used /opt/wordpress.
https://mangolassi.it/topic/1082/the-wordpress-on-centos-lemp-challengeNow I know there was a subsequent discussion somewhere on ML about /opt, I just cannot find it.
I have a feeling that it was or is the nginx default directory.
No, you continually reference /opt as the directory to use for 3rd party applications.
It I guess the better question is whether or not web apps like this are considered third party applications or something to put in webroot. A Google site search of this site and the term /opt returns many threads with directions from you installing things to /opt.
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He also has said that /var is the only place data should be stored.
Hmmmmm.........
Come on @scottalanmiller let's get it figured out!
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Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?
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@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?
Neither. It is not related to WordPress, web hosting or to CentOS directly. It's a memory setting that would be dependent on many factors, like the IOPS you have, the storage and memory that you have, how you want your disk used, how the disks are shared with other systems, how much disk capacity you have spare and so forth.
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@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?
Neither. It is not related to WordPress, web hosting or to CentOS directly. It's a memory setting that would be dependent on many factors, like the IOPS you have, the storage and memory that you have, how you want your disk used, how the disks are shared with other systems, how much disk capacity you have spare and so forth.
Isn't it one of the settings you normally always enable?
Or am I thinking about something else?
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@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?
Neither. It is not related to WordPress, web hosting or to CentOS directly. It's a memory setting that would be dependent on many factors, like the IOPS you have, the storage and memory that you have, how you want your disk used, how the disks are shared with other systems, how much disk capacity you have spare and so forth.
Isn't it one of the settings you normally always enable?
Or am I thinking about something else?
generally he says he always sets it to 30 or something like that in other threads.
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@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@scottalanmiller said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Perhaps this is offtopic, but what is the swappiness setting you are supposed to use? Would that be applicable to this article, or is that a more "general CentOS setup" setting?
Neither. It is not related to WordPress, web hosting or to CentOS directly. It's a memory setting that would be dependent on many factors, like the IOPS you have, the storage and memory that you have, how you want your disk used, how the disks are shared with other systems, how much disk capacity you have spare and so forth.
Isn't it one of the settings you normally always enable?
Or am I thinking about something else?
It's not enabling or disabling, it's setting it. The OS default is 60. Many cloud providers change this in their own defaults because it impacts other customers. On my cloud instances, I normally set to 10.
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If this was a physical box or a one to one VM install (only VM on a host) then a swappiness of 60 is a good starting point.
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@scottalanmiller said
It's not enabling or disabling, it's setting it. The OS default is 60. Many cloud providers change this in their own defaults because it impacts other customers. On my cloud instances, I normally set to 10.
I install Centos 7 Minimal on a Vultr VM, and the default was 30.
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Going back through this today.
What did we ever decide on PHP 5.X versus 7.X
Since WordPress seems to be recommending the move to 7.X, is it reasonable and desired to install that instead? Even if it is not in the official repositories? (I am, just asking for future reference for others.)
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@BRRABill said in Installing Wordpress on CentOS 7 Minimal:
Going back through this today.
What did we ever decide on PHP 5.X versus 7.X
Since WordPress seems to be recommending the move to 7.X, is it reasonable and desired to install that instead? Even if it is not in the official repositories? (I am, just asking for future reference for others.)
I would install this on Fedora today. If you want to be on CentOS 7, then install the Remi repo and enable the PHP 7.1 repo.
