Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
This is the only reason I agree with this.
Edit: But like I said... these 7% of phones that haven't exploded by now may not ever blow up... or they may blow up tomorrow... It's like playing Russian Roulette... Do you really want to lose?
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
So is bricking them. But one is a much bigger risk than the other. A mandatory recall can only be issued by the federal government. Has nothing to do with a Samsung.
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@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
This is the only reason I agree with this.
Edit: But like I said... these 7% of phones that haven't exploded by now may not ever blow up... or they may blow up tomorrow...
The issues are around being illegal and unethical.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
This is the only reason I agree with this.
Edit: But like I said... these 7% of phones that haven't exploded by now may not ever blow up... or they may blow up tomorrow...
The issues are around being illegal and unethical.
No doubt about it that it is illegal. Unethical -- I would say very unethical if they were not refunding money.
But since they are doing it to protect folks... I will say that it is not unethical since they are trying to potentially save the lives of their customers.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
There isn't any acceptable ground for doing this to working phones.
Um yeah there is... mandatory recall of the phones.
Keeping these phones is literally risking your life and others (those on the road around you).
I don't see an issue with this.
So is bricking them. But one is a much bigger risk than the other. A mandatory recall can only be issued by the federal government. Has nothing to do with a Samsung.
Bricking them disabled them from being charged, and essentially eliminates 100% of the risk of the phones blowing up in someones face, or while driving.
How many people charge their phones while driving, I do. If it blew up in my car while I was on the interstate I'd likely also get into a car wreck.
The Federal Aviation Administration has already banned these on all flights. So the recall is mandatory.
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And Samsung has mandates that every carrier take the phones back, and has provided incentives to customers trading the phones in.
This is simple the next step to ensure that no one else gets hurt or killed.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
This is a smart move by Verizon. It sucks that Samsung is having to do this.
Smart how?
If 7% of these are still out there and explode while someone is on the road, how are they going to call for emergency help anyways?
Because that particular 7% is still working. That's not to say they won't blow up tomorrow, but if an update happens right as somebody is leaving for a trip that bricks thier phone...
I figure Verizon should wait until January 2 or so before they start pushing it out.
Shouldn't push it out ever.
No, they shouldn't push it out ever, but some dipshit verizon customer will have a phone blow up on them in 2 months, then try to sue verizon because verizon knew about it and didn't stop them.. and some damn liberal judge will agree with the idiot and verizon will be out millions of dollars.
yeah.. let's not push this out.it's not like they won't get a new phone if they bring it back to the store.
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You can be assured if we had self driving cars that had this type of flaw, they would be allowed to roll out a kill switch because public safety.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
You can be assured if we had self driving cars that had this type of flaw, they would be allowed to roll out a kill switch because public safety.
Exactly, if self driving vehicles were swerving into on comming traffic because a pigeon was in the road, there would certainly be a kill switch update pushed out.
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@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
No doubt about it that it is illegal. Unethical -- I would say very unethical if they were not refunding money.
Unethical because forcibly taking something that doesn't belong to them and then giving an amount of money that they determine for it is stealing, plain and simple. If I come into your house and steal anything I want and "leave money for it", it's still unethical.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
You can be assured if we had self driving cars that had this type of flaw, they would be allowed to roll out a kill switch because public safety.
Exactly, if self driving vehicles were swerving into on comming traffic because a pigeon was in the road, there would certainly be a kill switch update pushed out.
No, they would fix the code. And a kill switch is not a brick switch. VERY unrelated things.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
You can be assured if we had self driving cars that had this type of flaw, they would be allowed to roll out a kill switch because public safety.
Not like this they would not, not even maybe.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
This is a smart move by Verizon. It sucks that Samsung is having to do this.
Smart how?
If 7% of these are still out there and explode while someone is on the road, how are they going to call for emergency help anyways?
Because that particular 7% is still working. That's not to say they won't blow up tomorrow, but if an update happens right as somebody is leaving for a trip that bricks thier phone...
I figure Verizon should wait until January 2 or so before they start pushing it out.
Shouldn't push it out ever.
No, they shouldn't push it out ever, but some dipshit verizon customer will have a phone blow up on them in 2 months, then try to sue verizon because verizon knew about it and didn't stop them.. and some damn liberal judge will agree with the idiot and verizon will be out millions of dollars.
yeah.. let's not push this out.it's not like they won't get a new phone if they bring it back to the store.
Yeah TRY to sue, and fail. But if they brick the phones and ANYONE ever has an issue because of it, they will sue and win.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@dafyre said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
No doubt about it that it is illegal. Unethical -- I would say very unethical if they were not refunding money.
Unethical because forcibly taking something that doesn't belong to them and then giving an amount of money that they determine for it is stealing, plain and simple. If I come into your house and steal anything I want and "leave money for it", it's still unethical.
Your argument here is that the phones aren't being returned at purchase value. They are, plus there is a $100 incentive to return the phones to use on anything else at the trade in location.
You're point is invalid.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
And Samsung has mandates that every carrier take the phones back, and has provided incentives to customers trading the phones in.
This is simple the next step to ensure that no one else gets hurt or killed.
And that matters why? Samsung has no legal or ethical right to demand that. Offering good deals for doing so, yes. Recommending it heavily, yes. Warning people, yes. Forcing? Not in any way shape or form.
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The only room I'm personally willing to give Scott in this discussion is that if you brick the phone, the user might not have their data backed up.
OK fine, don't brick it, disable the phone calling feature. Then when you call the carrier to get it fixed, the carrier will inform them that due to public safety reasons they are not supporting that phone and the customer needs to come and get a refund and decide if they want to buy a new phone.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
Your argument here is that the phones aren't being returned at purchase value.
Incorrect and irrelevant. I said nothing of the sort.
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@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
They are, plus there is a $100 incentive to return the phones to use on anything else at the trade in location.
You're point is invalid.
You've said nothing that relates to my point. The value of the phone NOW is determined by how much someone is willing to sell it for. Those that are not accepting the current return de facto have set that value above the original purchase value. Taking it back at the purchase price is stealing, plain and simple. That they "got their money back" is irrelevant as is the $100 bonus, as you well know.
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@scottalanmiller said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
@DustinB3403 said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
Your argument here is that the phones aren't being returned at purchase value.
Incorrect and irrelevant. I said nothing of the sort.
Yes you did.
@scottalanmiller said in [Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.]
Unethical because forcibly taking something that doesn't belong to them and then giving an amount of money that they determine for it is stealing, plain and simple. If I come into your house and steal anything I want and "leave money for it", it's still unethical.
The phones are being taken back at the carriers for purchase value. 100% plus the incentive.
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@Dashrender said in Samsumg to Brick Galaxy Note 7's starting on the 19th - Verizon refuses to participate.:
The only room I'm personally willing to give Scott in this discussion is that if you brick the phone, the user might not have their data backed up.
Or might not have another phone set up and ready to take over. Or be in a dangerous situation. Or have wanted to keep the phone accepting the risk. Doesn't matter why, maybe it has sentimental value to someone. It's not our position to determine why it has the value that it has, only respect that theft is always wrong, as is vandalism.
