How would you counter offer a job proposal
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So I've received an offer, and it just scraps by with what I am currently enjoying (benefits etc) but there are some offsets to it.
The drive is further, (4x longer), I'd have to start a new cell phone contract in my name (~$1200/year). A few benefits to the change would be MSP work (not the same thing every day) and paid training for certifications.
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@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
So I've received an offer, and it just scraps by with what I am currently enjoying (benefits etc) but there are some offsets to it.
The drive is further, (4x longer), I'd have to start a new cell phone contract in my name (~$1200/year). A few benefits to the change would be MSP work (not the same thing every day) and paid training for certifications.
$100 a month for your cell phone? You need some Republic Wireless in your life.
Just counter. "I was thinking more in the XXX range." If they come back and say they can't do it then that's fine but chances are they are low balling you, as they should, and are expecting you to counter.
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@coliver said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
$100 a month for your cell phone? You need some Republic Wireless in your life.
My AT&T costs me $130/month for two phones.
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@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@coliver said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
$100 a month for your cell phone? You need some Republic Wireless in your life.
My AT&T costs me $130/month for two phones.
My plan is 20$/month for one phone. Granted it is only 1GB of data but I rarely use even a fraction of that. The best things are wifi calling and seamless handoffs between wifi and cell.
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Regardless of the phone, how would you counter to offset this cost?
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@Dashrender said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@coliver said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
$100 a month for your cell phone? You need some Republic Wireless in your life.
My AT&T costs me $130/month for two phones.
Only $130? Nice... Mine is twice that... But I'm still in the original Data plan from like 6 years ago... Unlimited everything.
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@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Regardless of the phone, how would you counter to offset this cost?
Just as I mentioned previously. You don't really have to give details, just tell them what salary you are expecting.
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@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Regardless of the phone, how would you counter to offset this cost?
You simply.... counter. An offer is the start of a negotiation phase. Be aware that they might turn you down, they might not have any more to give, they might have someone willing to work for cheaper, etc. But they might not and they might be seeing what they can get you for. You simply respond with the amount that you need or you could respond with more than you need and see if they meet in the middle.
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@coliver said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Regardless of the phone, how would you counter to offset this cost?
Just as I mentioned previously. You don't really have to give details, just tell them what salary you are expecting.
Oh yes, completely. You never give details. None of those things matter, at all.
You CAN mention that you are currently employed, that's fine. You are in the position of power - they need an employee, you don't need a job. It's their job now to entice you to leave your current job.
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Start with the basics.. compare your expected travel times - not just mileage but the time it takes also.
Compare the vacation times - Medical, etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Regardless of the phone, how would you counter to offset this cost?
You simply.... counter. An offer is the start of a negotiation phase. Be aware that they might turn you down, they might not have any more to give, they might have someone willing to work for cheaper, etc. But they might not and they might be seeing what they can get you for. You simply respond with the amount that you need or you could respond with more than you need and see if they meet in the middle.
Yes, I would counter with more then you're expecting to get. Hopefully they will meet you around the price you are expecting.
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@gjacobse said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Start with the basics.. compare your expected travel times - not just mileage but the time it takes also.
Compare the vacation times - Medical, etc.
That's what he would do to himself to determine what amount he needs to be happy. Never talk to an employer about that stuff. It's irrelevant.
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@gjacobse said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Start with the basics.. compare your expected travel times - not just mileage but the time it takes also.
Compare the vacation times - Medical, etc.
That's what he would do to himself to determine what amount he needs to be happy. Never talk to an employer about that stuff. It's irrelevant.
agreed. but you have to know the 'final number' for each to get a starting point.
Maybe go with 20% more then current
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@gjacobse said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
@gjacobse said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Start with the basics.. compare your expected travel times - not just mileage but the time it takes also.
Compare the vacation times - Medical, etc.
That's what he would do to himself to determine what amount he needs to be happy. Never talk to an employer about that stuff. It's irrelevant.
agreed. but you have to know the 'final number' for each to get a starting point.
Maybe go with 20% more then current
20% is an enormous jump. You have to be pretty confident in why someone who doesn't know you would pay you 20% more than what someone agrees that you are worth today. A totally possible number, but a bold one.
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Go a little higher than you want on your counter, but don't go too high. Don't make them want to walk away.
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So the offer is for 55K (including benefits), this is almost identical to what I have now, but with the burden of cell phone (back in my hands, along with a greater drive).
So its not a leap from what I'm making now. And I'm not looking for a 5-20% leap in income either, but for the offset of cellular (and the expectation that I maintain my own cell for business use) I would expect the offer to be more.
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@DustinB3403 said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
So the offer is for 55K (including benefits), this is almost identical to what I have now, but with the burden of cell phone (back in my hands, along with a greater drive).
So its not a leap from what I'm making now. And I'm not looking for a 5-20% leap in income either, but for the offset of cellular (and the expectation that I maintain my own cell for business use) I would expect the offer to be more.
Right... so what do you think you and your time is worth. Probably more then 55K. Especially since your costs are jumping a bit. The employer will have their own ideas as to what you are worth but they are going to offer you less then that to get a deal. 20% of the offer is 66K. I think it would be reasonable to start somewhere around 60-62 and work your way down.
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Seems like asking for $58K would be reasonable.
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@scottalanmiller said in How would you counter offer a job proposal:
Seems like asking for $58K would be reasonable.
I was thinking between $58-62K seems reasonable.
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So what would be an appropriate way to actually say more is required?
Hi ____,
Thank you for the offer but at the current offer I couldn't accept, I'm willing to take the position for 58K.
I await your response.
Thank you
