Simple Basic eMail providers
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@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
While I realize there is a difference, you can install MAIL on Linux... That is all I wish to do, but to someone that is external to my system.
Okay so.... sending mail to anyone requires SMTP. To have SMTP you need an SMTP server. This could be Postfix, Sendmail, Gmail, Office 365, Exchange, etc. They are all SMTP servers. Anything that you can call email goes over SMTP.
What you are describing with MAIL is a postoffice box server, that's different. That's a text file editor that reads local text files after the email system has handed them over. It's "post mail" if you will excuse the pun. It's a mailbox system after the files are no longer email. You perceive it as email, but there is no email without the SMTP server.
So to get any email, ever, to a system so that PINE can read the resulting file requires an SMTP server to send and receive the mail, and a postoffice box server (like Cyrus) to store it locally for you. Then PINE can read the files.
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@stacksofplates said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
All of the things that you describe are applications. Not email services, just applications. So let me reword what you said, or I think you said, but using modern applications to see if you mean what I think you mean....
You just want email in Outlook, Thunderbird or similar but don't want to have to install the application on your own machine... but you want a VDI desktop somewhere else with the email client on it so that you can just not install it?
Is that REALLY want you want?
I don't believe so. And I believe I see what you are referencing. While I realize there is a difference, you can install MAIL on Linux, and you can then send mail via the BASH to another user. That is all I wish to do, but to someone that is external to my system.
Nope, still confused. What does "send mail via the BASH" mean to you? I have no idea even what this is supposed to have meant. BASH doesn't interact with email. And it doesn't send things.
I think he means something like echo "my message" | mail -s "subject" [email protected]
That's the mailx application. Not part of BASH. And not installed by default nearly anywhere. But it just drops the mail for the SMTP server to pick it up. Only works if you are hosting your own SMTP server locally.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@stacksofplates said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
All of the things that you describe are applications. Not email services, just applications. So let me reword what you said, or I think you said, but using modern applications to see if you mean what I think you mean....
You just want email in Outlook, Thunderbird or similar but don't want to have to install the application on your own machine... but you want a VDI desktop somewhere else with the email client on it so that you can just not install it?
Is that REALLY want you want?
I don't believe so. And I believe I see what you are referencing. While I realize there is a difference, you can install MAIL on Linux, and you can then send mail via the BASH to another user. That is all I wish to do, but to someone that is external to my system.
Nope, still confused. What does "send mail via the BASH" mean to you? I have no idea even what this is supposed to have meant. BASH doesn't interact with email. And it doesn't send things.
I think he means something like echo "my message" | mail -s "subject" [email protected]
That's the mailx application. Not part of BASH. And not installed by default nearly anywhere. But it just drops the mail for the SMTP server to pick it up. Only works if you are hosting your own SMTP server locally.
Right, but it's done at a BASH prompt. I can see where someone would have a hard time describing what they wanted.
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
All of the things that you describe are applications. Not email services, just applications. So let me reword what you said, or I think you said, but using modern applications to see if you mean what I think you mean....
You just want email in Outlook, Thunderbird or similar but don't want to have to install the application on your own machine... but you want a VDI desktop somewhere else with the email client on it so that you can just not install it?
Is that REALLY want you want?
I don't believe so. And I believe I see what you are referencing. While I realize there is a difference, you can install MAIL on Linux, and you can then send mail via the BASH to another user. That is all I wish to do, but to someone that is external to my system.
But you can send mail using MAIL, to external recipients.
Nothing special is needed.
Well, mailx, not mail, can send an email to the local email server which in turn can send to someone else.
Just like Outlook or Thunderbird, they are just the clients and give the message to Exchange to send. They don't send themselves.
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Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
Locally on the machine, but no where else.
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@stacksofplates said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
Locally on the machine, but no where else.
I know, I was asking for @gjacobse
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@stacksofplates said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@stacksofplates said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
All of the things that you describe are applications. Not email services, just applications. So let me reword what you said, or I think you said, but using modern applications to see if you mean what I think you mean....
You just want email in Outlook, Thunderbird or similar but don't want to have to install the application on your own machine... but you want a VDI desktop somewhere else with the email client on it so that you can just not install it?
Is that REALLY want you want?
I don't believe so. And I believe I see what you are referencing. While I realize there is a difference, you can install MAIL on Linux, and you can then send mail via the BASH to another user. That is all I wish to do, but to someone that is external to my system.
Nope, still confused. What does "send mail via the BASH" mean to you? I have no idea even what this is supposed to have meant. BASH doesn't interact with email. And it doesn't send things.
I think he means something like echo "my message" | mail -s "subject" [email protected]
That's the mailx application. Not part of BASH. And not installed by default nearly anywhere. But it just drops the mail for the SMTP server to pick it up. Only works if you are hosting your own SMTP server locally.
Right, but it's done at a BASH prompt. I can see where someone would have a hard time describing what they wanted.
It CAN be done at the BASH prompt. That's like saying that Mass Effect is part of the Windows shell because you can click the icon on the desktop from that. If that's part of BASH, the entire system is BASH. BASH becomes a meaningless term for "computer."
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
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@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
gjacob@ubuntu:~$ mail No mail for gjacob gjacob@ubuntu:~$ mail gjacob Cc: Subject: For Scott This is a message for scott. This is my C@C system, so there are no external SMTP or POP or other ports being forwarded. gjacob@ubuntu:~$ ~~That's the mailx client. It doesn't need a postoffice box server to send, it will talk natively to Postfix or Sendmail. I always use Postfix, I love it.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@stacksofplates said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@stacksofplates said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
All of the things that you describe are applications. Not email services, just applications. So let me reword what you said, or I think you said, but using modern applications to see if you mean what I think you mean....
You just want email in Outlook, Thunderbird or similar but don't want to have to install the application on your own machine... but you want a VDI desktop somewhere else with the email client on it so that you can just not install it?
Is that REALLY want you want?
I don't believe so. And I believe I see what you are referencing. While I realize there is a difference, you can install MAIL on Linux, and you can then send mail via the BASH to another user. That is all I wish to do, but to someone that is external to my system.
Nope, still confused. What does "send mail via the BASH" mean to you? I have no idea even what this is supposed to have meant. BASH doesn't interact with email. And it doesn't send things.
I think he means something like echo "my message" | mail -s "subject" [email protected]
That's the mailx application. Not part of BASH. And not installed by default nearly anywhere. But it just drops the mail for the SMTP server to pick it up. Only works if you are hosting your own SMTP server locally.
Right, but it's done at a BASH prompt. I can see where someone would have a hard time describing what they wanted.
It CAN be done at the BASH prompt. That's like saying that Mass Effect is part of the Windows shell because you can click the icon on the desktop from that. If that's part of BASH, the entire system is BASH. BASH becomes a meaningless term for "computer."
That's not the same at all. Echo is part of BASH. Obviously you don't have to do it that way, but if you use echo and pipe that into mailx, then you've used BASH (at a BASH prompt).
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No - I know that much.
Looking for a simple basic web based email provider, that isn't Google, O365, Yahoo (puke) etc.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
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So major questions are....
- What is the GOAL here? The question was asked down in the weeds. Too many assumptions put into it.
- Why don't you want to install the email server? It's normally there and ready to go by default anyway.
- Why do you want to do this from "someone else's system"?
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
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@gjacobse said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Looking for a simple basic web based email provider, that isn't Google, O365, Yahoo (puke) etc.
Wait, now we are on web based? This is very different and requires a lot more "stuff."
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
No. . . there is no SMTP server to SMTP server communication involved. It's still mail. . .
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
No. . . there is no SMTP server to SMTP server communication involved. It's still mail. . .
No... let me rephrase what you just wrote...
It's not email, but it's still email.
That's obviously wrong. It's just a text file being edited. By your logic there, if you took nano and edited a file in my home directory and I read it with nano, nano would be our new email server.
Obviously that is wrong. Creating an alias for nano calling it "nano-mail" would not make it email either.
Email is a specific thing, you can't just call anything randomly email.
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@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
No. . . there is no SMTP server to SMTP server communication involved. It's still mail. . .
No... let me rephrase what you just wrote...
It's not email, but it's still email.
That's obviously wrong. It's just a text file being edited. By your logic there, if you took nano and edited a file in my home directory and I read it with nano, nano would be our new email server.
Obviously that is wrong. Creating an alias for nano calling it "nano-mail" would not make it email either.
Email is a specific thing, you can't just call anything randomly email.
hahah . . .
Ok so lets look at this from a logging mechanism.
When you have a log generated, and it sends an alert to root, what do you call that notification?
Obviously SMTP wasn't used to send it (so I agree it's not email). But what would you call it?
Anyways, what @gjacobse needs is just a separate email provider (something plain-jane) that preferably isn't gmail, outlook, or yahoo.
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@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@scottalanmiller said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
@DustinB3403 said in Simple Basic eMail providers:
Is the question really "Can I send / receive email without an SMTP server?"
No, by definition "sending email" is just a common term for "an SMTP server to SMTP server transaction". Using an SMTP is literally in the definition of "what is an email."
But you can send email to the localhost if you really wanted. This can be done without an SMTP server. . . so is an SMTP server, really the definition of email?
Not really, there is no email involved at that point.
No. . . there is no SMTP server to SMTP server communication involved. It's still mail. . .
No... let me rephrase what you just wrote...
It's not email, but it's still email.
That's obviously wrong. It's just a text file being edited. By your logic there, if you took nano and edited a file in my home directory and I read it with nano, nano would be our new email server.
Obviously that is wrong. Creating an alias for nano calling it "nano-mail" would not make it email either.
Email is a specific thing, you can't just call anything randomly email.
hahah . . .
Ok so lets look at this from a logging mechanism.
When you have a log generated, and it sends an alert to root, what do you call that notification?
A log entry. I don't call it email when talking about email. I also don't use that
But it's obviously not email.
