I can't even
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I can't even begin to understand why someone purposefully wants to downgrade their hypervisor (esxi) to continue to operate older VM's.
Maybe it's the hour, or the hang over, but wtf...
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Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...
Currently paying $2500/month for hosted services where his employees RDP into a remote server to access software. (sounds like they are doing a lot more than just hosting the software).
And he needs assistance with picking a server to host these same services in house.
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On a budget virtualization, and wants help. Okay not a problem, what is your budget?!
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@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...
Currently paying $2500/month for hosted services where his employees RDP into a remote server to access software. (sounds like they are doing a lot more than just hosting the software).
And he needs assistance with picking a server to host these same services in house.
60 RDP sessions for 9 hr/day 22 days a month, or $0.21/hr, It's probably not that bad for a fully hosted RDP session with all licensing, etc included.
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...
Currently paying $2500/month for hosted services where his employees RDP into a remote server to access software. (sounds like they are doing a lot more than just hosting the software).
And he needs assistance with picking a server to host these same services in house.
60 RDP sessions for 9 hr/day 22 days a month, or $0.21/hr, It's probably not that bad for a fully hosted RDP session with all licensing, etc included.
It's just a terminal server. Can't be that bad.
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Brining this in house could easily cost a lot more than this.
DC costs, HVAC costs, UPS costs, licensing/VDI/storage, etc, etc, etc.
We have no idea what type of infrastructure is on the other side of that $2500/month expense. If it's Scott's dream setup, $2500 is actually sounding pretty good.
This is like moving your email hosted. It MIGHT cost less to go hosted, but almost any situation that cost less will also likely be significantly less reliable.
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
We have no idea what type of infrastructure is on the other side of that $2500/month expense. If it's Scott's dream setup, $2500 is actually sounding pretty good.
That is true. With 60+ users he must have a higher level networking equipment (firewall most likely) somewhere at least, with some switches as well--bare minimum.
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@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...
No need for a domain. I didn't look at the topic, but the idea that domains are needed is antiquated and was always a marketing thing. Domains are great, but there is no scale at which they are just needed.
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@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
On a budget virtualization, and wants help. Okay not a problem, what is your budget?!
We should never know the budget number. That's the cart driving the horse. You want to know the right thing for the business then tell the business what it costs.
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
Brining this in house could easily cost a lot more than this.
DC costs, HVAC costs, UPS costs, licensing/VDI/storage, etc, etc, etc.
We have no idea what type of infrastructure is on the other side of that $2500/month expense. If it's Scott's dream setup, $2500 is actually sounding pretty good.
This is like moving your email hosted. It MIGHT cost less to go hosted, but almost any situation that cost less will also likely be significantly less reliable.
Right, to compete with a datacenter isn't cheap. Maybe they don't care about reliability or backups, that's what I hear routinely from people moving things on premises - that their goal is to cut costs and not have the SSDs, the RAID 10, the backups, the staff, the HVAC, the redundant power, the external access that they had before.
To do this "well" likely requires a lot that we would guess that they don't have. The server will cost a bit, maybe $10K. And while that's only four months of service, it's a cost you recur every five years or so. So that is four to five months of hosting value out of sixty right away. That's nearly 10%. Then there is the licensing costs, which could easily be many times that. $10K for sixty users on RDS is easy. That's about 10% again in costs. Then there is power consumption, easily 10-20% of the costs. Then there is the specific application that they are hosting which could be anything from free to more than the cost of the hosting, the sky is the limit. Then there is the HVAC cost. What about a failover server, that's 10% again. Backup server? 5-10% there (if you include the storage.) These "little costs" add up very, very quickly.
And if we manage to save any money, now we need an IT department to design, implement and maintain this system that we didn't need before. Likely that's going to cost more than all the other factors combined.
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@wirestyle22 said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...
Currently paying $2500/month for hosted services where his employees RDP into a remote server to access software. (sounds like they are doing a lot more than just hosting the software).
And he needs assistance with picking a server to host these same services in house.
60 RDP sessions for 9 hr/day 22 days a month, or $0.21/hr, It's probably not that bad for a fully hosted RDP session with all licensing, etc included.
It's just a terminal server. Can't be that bad.
We actually have no idea if it's TS or not. I bet the OP doesn't even know at this point.
One good thing - at least he posted before he purchased anything, sadly it was after he told management that he can build a 60 user RDS environment with AD in house for $5-8K - LOL
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@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@wirestyle22 said in I can't even:
@Dashrender said in I can't even:
@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Has 60+ users without domain! I can't even...
Currently paying $2500/month for hosted services where his employees RDP into a remote server to access software. (sounds like they are doing a lot more than just hosting the software).
And he needs assistance with picking a server to host these same services in house.
60 RDP sessions for 9 hr/day 22 days a month, or $0.21/hr, It's probably not that bad for a fully hosted RDP session with all licensing, etc included.
It's just a terminal server. Can't be that bad.
We actually have no idea if it's TS or not. I bet the OP doesn't even know at this point.
One good thing - at least he posted before he purchased anything, sadly it was after he told management that he can build a 60 user RDS environment with AD in house for $5-8K - LOL
Yeah
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Christmas Shopping - $10,000 budget to virtualize 17 physical servers.
Wants two servers and a SAN... come on people....
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Oh and he wants to keep some things physical.... get's so much better..
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@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Oh and he wants to keep some things physical.... get's so much better..
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@MattSpeller said in I can't even:
@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Oh and he wants to keep some things physical.... get's so much better..
That is a scary screen freeze.
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Wants to find a hdd to hdd backup solution because a VP demands that he not deal with Folder redirection (on his 100MB ethernet connection..)
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@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Wants to find a hdd to hdd backup solution because a VP demands that he not deal with Folder redirection (on his 100MB ethernet connection..)
This is why ticketing systems are great. I put in a nice description of the dialogue the day of these discussions and can reference it later. That way if a year from now they say we never had that conversation I can go back and reference it.
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@DustinB3403 said in I can't even:
Wants to find a hdd to hdd backup solution because a VP demands that he not deal with Folder redirection (on his 100MB ethernet connection..)
why not upgrade the network connection instead?
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@Dashrender That was my thought when I got to that point in the topic.
But who am I to be rational...
