Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
From a security point of view, do you guys leave this open to the internet over https? Or do you keep the firewalls closed and use something like ZeroTier on everything?
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@syko24 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
From a security point of view, do you guys leave this open to the internet over https? Or do you keep the firewalls closed and use something like ZeroTier on everything?
I leave it on https with fail2ban
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?
Let me guess:
Log into NC
Local file
download file to local computer
open downloaded file in word
edit file
save document
close word
upload updated file to NC.Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close word -
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?
Let me guess:
Log into NC
Local file
download file to local computer
open downloaded file in word
edit file
save document
close word
upload updated file to NC.Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordLibreOffice Online???
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@Dashrender said
Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Yeah, I would agree.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThey revolt over this.....
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?
Let me guess:
Log into NC
Local file
download file to local computer
open downloaded file in word
edit file
save document
close word
upload updated file to NC.Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThat's why we are adding Collabora.
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@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Collabora
This? https://www.collaboraoffice.com/solutions/collabora-cloudsuite/
Yes
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThey revolt over this.....
But this is the same as using local or network shares - so they revolt over using anything?
If you're going to say they don't do this, that instead they:
Open network/local location of file,
double click (launching app)
edit file
safe file
close programI don't really see this as much different, even though it is my personal preferred method, it's definitely not Scott's preferred method, and doesn't work in the LANLess concept.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThey revolt over this.....
But this is the same as using local or network shares - so they revolt over using anything?
If you're going to say they don't do this, that instead they:
Open network/local location of file,
double click (launching app)
edit file
safe file
close programI don't really see this as much different, even though it is my personal preferred method, it's definitely not Scott's preferred method, and doesn't work in the LANLess concept.
It is horribly different. Their files are not there!!!!!!!!!11111
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Why aren't their files there?
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
In that case the files remain in the cloud and there is no local component. On local network shares, the files are on your LAN.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.
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@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
@art_of_shred already answered, but the file lives and dies on the cloud storage provider.
So with redirecting the users documents from %userprofile%\Documents > %userprofile%\owncloud\Documents in @JaredBusch example, everything is always saved to the cloud storage.
It's never on the local hard drive.
It's actually a clever use of the storage.
My question to @JaredBusch is how do you manage the storage space they are consuming there, or don't you bother? I can imagine a few users who'd want to use 50GB worth of space just keeping things around forever.
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@DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
It's never on the local hard drive.
It most certainly is on the local storage. that is a sync client.
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@art_of_shred said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
In that case the files remain in the cloud and there is no local component. On local network shares, the files are on your LAN.
So what? The application sees ODfB just like it sees a network share, only slower access.
@BRRABill said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.
exactly my point.
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@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@scottalanmiller said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@wrx7m said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
For all of you who tout the lanless concept, what are you using to accomplish this? So far, I see a lot of hybrid suggestions- Nextcloud/ODfB plus a file server.
We use NextCloud only now, transitioned off of ODfB. Working on eliminating SharePoint, it is just a storage vestige now, not part of the current plan. Mostly web interface only, sync when needed. No LAN.
Assuming you're not using the NC sync client what's the work flow for editing a Word document using Word?
Let me guess:
Log into NC
Local file
download file to local computer
open downloaded file in word
edit file
save document
close word
upload updated file to NC.Assuming this is the work flow, I'll be amazed if users don't revolt!
Using OneDrive the flow is:
Open word
find file in OD
Edit file
save to OD
close wordThat's why we are adding Collabora.
Did you get the docker image working?
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@JaredBusch said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@DustinB3403 said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
It's never on the local hard drive.
It most certainly is on the local storage. that is a sync client.
Sorry, you know what I meant though. It doesn't live there any longer than it needs to sync. It's not like it stays there forever.
With the sync it backs up the content of the folder every so often.
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@BRRABill said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
@Dashrender said in Nextcloud/Owncloud best use cases:
Why aren't their files there?
Yeah I don't really see any difference in loading files in ODfB aware apps.
It is a huge difference. The users have to open the application and then browse from there. It requires Excel/Word. It is just a horrible solution to make users change to.
It is a great technical solution. But users != technical.
