Krebs <3's The IoT
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@JaredBusch said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
In today's world, it is now ingrained in the 1st world human psyche and that is a good thing.
It is? what makes you say that?
I'd say that when people see it stated somewhere they consider it good, even though they will put almost zero effort into confirming the stated facts. But if it's not in their face, people generally don't care.
Look at all the hacks around z wave and zigbee, yet vendors are still selling tons of those things. The only way you MIGHT stop people from buying them is if you put a label on them saying - these devices are not technically secure. hackers can easily hack into them and destroy your network/life/world, etc. But even then, would they really care? probably not, just look at cigarettes.
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@Dashrender said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@JaredBusch said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
In today's world, it is now ingrained in the 1st world human psyche and that is a good thing.
It is? what makes you say that?
I'd say that when people see it stated somewhere they consider it good, even though they will put almost zero effort into confirming the stated facts. But if it's not in their face, people generally don't care.
Look at all the hacks around z wave and zigbee, yet vendors are still selling tons of those things. The only way you MIGHT stop people from buying them is if you put a label on them saying - these devices are not technically secure. hackers can easily hack into them and destroy your network/life/world, etc. But even then, would they really care? probably not, just look at cigarettes.
Car safety as important is most certainly ingrained now. It took generations though.
Cigarettes are supported by the government. or they would be gone.
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Well JB and I are having an offline conversation - he says that some ISPs (AT&T for sure he worked there and saw this problem first hand) were/are blocking outbound port 25.
Cox has blocked (and I believe still does) inbound port 25 on consumer lines for ages, but they've never blocked port 25 in my service areas that I'm aware of.
As mentioned, when we say inbound blocking happening, it was to prevent consumers from hosting their own email server.
Mass blocking of outbound port 25 would break to much stuff to see it in mass use. I'm amazed customers didn't freak out on AT&T over that.
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@JaredBusch said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@Dashrender said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@JaredBusch said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
In today's world, it is now ingrained in the 1st world human psyche and that is a good thing.
It is? what makes you say that?
I'd say that when people see it stated somewhere they consider it good, even though they will put almost zero effort into confirming the stated facts. But if it's not in their face, people generally don't care.
Look at all the hacks around z wave and zigbee, yet vendors are still selling tons of those things. The only way you MIGHT stop people from buying them is if you put a label on them saying - these devices are not technically secure. hackers can easily hack into them and destroy your network/life/world, etc. But even then, would they really care? probably not, just look at cigarettes.
Car safety as important is most certainly ingrained now. It took generations though.
Cigarettes are supported by the government. or they would be gone.
Right, one is about "preventing accidents." There is no product causing danger with cars, it's just stopping people from killing themselves and, keeping people alive and healthy on its own benefits the government.
Cigarettes are big business, it's a product that generates tons and tons of revenue. So not comparable to just "bad things happening."
The government would love to just stop shark attacks, bathtub electrocutions, falling down stairs, etc.
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@Dashrender said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
Well JB and I are having an offline conversation - he says that some ISPs (AT&T for sure he worked there and saw this problem first hand) were/are blocking outbound port 25.
Cox has blocked (and I believe still does) inbound port 25 on consumer lines for ages, but they've never blocked port 25 in my service areas that I'm aware of.
As mentioned, when we say inbound blocking happening, it was to prevent consumers from hosting their own email server.
Mass blocking of outbound port 25 would break to much stuff to see it in mass use. I'm amazed customers didn't freak out on AT&T over that.
It's something like half of all carriers. I work around the country and port 25 blocking is super common. Not at all universal, but very common.
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I don't know how many things blocking port 25 would break for consumers. No consumer device made for the last two decades has been able to assume working port 25, so what device would require that?
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@scottalanmiller said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
The government would love to just stop shark attacks, bathtub electrocutions, falling down stairs, etc.
OK I guess I see you point, because stopping those things hopefully means that those people will live longer and pay more into the tax system.. gotcha.
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@Dashrender said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@scottalanmiller said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
The government would love to just stop shark attacks, bathtub electrocutions, falling down stairs, etc.
OK I guess I see you point, because stopping those things hopefully means that those people will live longer and pay more into the tax system.. gotcha.
Not just that, but death is expensive. It has big impacts to the economy. And worse (economically) are injured people who can't work any longer but aren't dead.
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@scottalanmiller said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@Dashrender said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@scottalanmiller said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
The government would love to just stop shark attacks, bathtub electrocutions, falling down stairs, etc.
OK I guess I see you point, because stopping those things hopefully means that those people will live longer and pay more into the tax system.. gotcha.
Not just that, but death is expensive. It has big impacts to the economy. And worse (economically) are injured people who can't work any longer but aren't dead.
Absolutely, the injured are the worst for the economy.
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Perhaps this isn't Krebs <3's The IoT so much as The IoT <3's Krebs going by how much love was sent his way. ..
Like fanboys over their favourite boyband, many unwanted advances were made on Mr Krebs by a sea of IoT devices. Attempts to rebuff these advances were made and did indeed work for a while but the "sea of love" could not be held back and Mr Krebs was forced to deploy countermeasures, advertising his address had changed to 127.0.0.1. The devices, giddy with excitement, returned home thinking that Mr Krebs was waiting for them only to find it empty and void of Mr Krebs.
Many devices were so driven to distraction that they kept pouring out their love for Mr Krebs for hours.
When asked for comments and feelings on the matter Mr L. G. Refrigerator could only answer with "2x 2L Full Cream Milk, 1L Orange Juice, Cheese, 2x 3L Ice Cream" and a Blue Screen of Death. Clearly taking it's devotion to Mr Krebs into the next boot cycle.
Mr M. Ocean, a security camera, who works the alley way shift near the harbour masters office was also responded to our request with "Motion detected: IMG_201609_32156.jpg". Incidentally, it appears that an orange tabby cat has been stealing fish from the local fishermen.
More news at 11
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OVH are reporting they were hit by a 990Gbps IOT-based DDOS. Hurrah, its the f***[moderated] DDOS Olympics.
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@aidan_walsh said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
OVH are reporting they were hit by a 990Gbps IOT-based DDOS. Hurrah, its the f***[moderated] DDOS Olympics.
That' a new record, holy cow.
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@aidan_walsh said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
OVH are reporting they were hit by a 990Gbps IOT-based DDOS. Hurrah, its the f***[moderated] DDOS Olympics.
And the internet is still standing? Wasn't 900Gb/s the theoretical threshold for an internet ending event? Trying to find the article on it.
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@coliver said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@aidan_walsh said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
OVH are reporting they were hit by a 990Gbps IOT-based DDOS. Hurrah, its the f***[moderated] DDOS Olympics.
And the internet is still standing? Wasn't 900Gb/s the theoretical threshold for an internet ending event? Trying to find the article on it.
That's not really that much data. Not any longer. I mean you could have that much of a DDoS in a neighbourhood without even hitting the Internet backbone! Netflix streams far more than that continuous!
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@scottalanmiller said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@coliver said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@aidan_walsh said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
OVH are reporting they were hit by a 990Gbps IOT-based DDOS. Hurrah, its the f***[moderated] DDOS Olympics.
And the internet is still standing? Wasn't 900Gb/s the theoretical threshold for an internet ending event? Trying to find the article on it.
That's not really that much data. Not any longer. I mean you could have that much of a DDoS in a neighbourhood without even hitting the Internet backbone! Netflix streams far more than that continuous!
Wow. You're saying there are neighborhoods that have in excess of 900 Gb/s connections to the backbone? I suppose Google Fiber to truly allow a neighborhood, each house to have 1 Gb/s themselves would potentially need more than 900 Gb/s connection.. but damn, lol
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@Dashrender said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@scottalanmiller said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@coliver said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@aidan_walsh said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
OVH are reporting they were hit by a 990Gbps IOT-based DDOS. Hurrah, its the f***[moderated] DDOS Olympics.
And the internet is still standing? Wasn't 900Gb/s the theoretical threshold for an internet ending event? Trying to find the article on it.
That's not really that much data. Not any longer. I mean you could have that much of a DDoS in a neighbourhood without even hitting the Internet backbone! Netflix streams far more than that continuous!
Wow. You're saying there are neighborhoods that have in excess of 900 Gb/s connections to the backbone? I suppose Google Fiber to truly allow a neighborhood, each house to have 1 Gb/s themselves would potentially need more than 900 Gb/s connection.. but damn, lol
You can get a 100Gb/s connection in Cleveland, OH of all places, so yeah.
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@Dashrender said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@scottalanmiller said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@coliver said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@aidan_walsh said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
OVH are reporting they were hit by a 990Gbps IOT-based DDOS. Hurrah, its the f***[moderated] DDOS Olympics.
And the internet is still standing? Wasn't 900Gb/s the theoretical threshold for an internet ending event? Trying to find the article on it.
That's not really that much data. Not any longer. I mean you could have that much of a DDoS in a neighbourhood without even hitting the Internet backbone! Netflix streams far more than that continuous!
Wow. You're saying there are neighborhoods that have in excess of 900 Gb/s connections to the backbone? I suppose Google Fiber to truly allow a neighborhood, each house to have 1 Gb/s themselves would potentially need more than 900 Gb/s connection.. but damn, lol
Yup, that's not that much these days.
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@travisdh1 said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@Dashrender said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@scottalanmiller said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@coliver said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
@aidan_walsh said in Krebs <3's The IoT:
OVH are reporting they were hit by a 990Gbps IOT-based DDOS. Hurrah, its the f***[moderated] DDOS Olympics.
And the internet is still standing? Wasn't 900Gb/s the theoretical threshold for an internet ending event? Trying to find the article on it.
That's not really that much data. Not any longer. I mean you could have that much of a DDoS in a neighbourhood without even hitting the Internet backbone! Netflix streams far more than that continuous!
Wow. You're saying there are neighborhoods that have in excess of 900 Gb/s connections to the backbone? I suppose Google Fiber to truly allow a neighborhood, each house to have 1 Gb/s themselves would potentially need more than 900 Gb/s connection.. but damn, lol
You can get a 100Gb/s connection in Cleveland, OH of all places, so yeah.
Exactly. I had 10Gb/s links all over the place over a decade ago. They were rare and expensive, but they were there. Today, that stuff is pretty reasonable.
