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      BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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      @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

      @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

      @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

      @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

      It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

      But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

      You're losing the 15G, right?

      I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

      Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

      Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

      1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
      2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
      3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

      So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

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        Dashrender @BRRABill
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        @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

        @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

        @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

        @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

        @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

        It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

        But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

        You're losing the 15G, right?

        I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

        Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

        Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

        1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
        2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
        3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

        So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

        Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

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          BRRABill @Dashrender
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          @Dashrender said

          Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

          That's not how I understood thin provisioning to work.

          You can take the VHD offline and resize it in WIndows, but I don't think you can in XS.

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            scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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            @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

            @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

            @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

            @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

            @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

            It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

            But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

            You're losing the 15G, right?

            I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

            Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

            Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

            1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
            2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
            3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

            So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

            Oh sorry, yes. Don't use appliances, build your own with proper specs 😉

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              scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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              @Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

              @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

              @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

              @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

              @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

              @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

              It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

              But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

              You're losing the 15G, right?

              I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

              Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

              Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

              1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
              2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
              3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

              So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

              Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

              Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

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                scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                @Dashrender said

                Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

                That's not how I understood thin provisioning to work.

                You can take the VHD offline and resize it in WIndows, but I don't think you can in XS.

                Don't resize.... remove.

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                  BRRABill @scottalanmiller
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                  @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                  @Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                  @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                  @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                  @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                  @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                  @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                  It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                  But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                  You're losing the 15G, right?

                  I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                  Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                  Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                  1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                  2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                  3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                  So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                  Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

                  Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

                  But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

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                    scottalanmiller @BRRABill
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                    @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                    @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                    @Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                    @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                    @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                    @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                    @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                    @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                    It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                    But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                    You're losing the 15G, right?

                    I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                    Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                    Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                    1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                    2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                    3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                    So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                    Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

                    Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

                    But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

                    I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

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                      DustinB3403 @scottalanmiller
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                      @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                      @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                      @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                      @Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                      @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                      @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                      @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                      @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                      @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                      It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                      But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                      You're losing the 15G, right?

                      I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                      Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                      Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                      1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                      2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                      3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                      So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                      Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

                      Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

                      But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

                      I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

                      No, the OVA imports a single disk with 2 LV's.

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                        BRRABill @DustinB3403
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                        @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                        @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                        It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                        But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                        You're losing the 15G, right?

                        I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                        Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                        Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                        1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                        2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                        3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                        So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                        Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

                        Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

                        But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

                        I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

                        No, the OVA imports a single disk with 2 LV's.

                        Correct.

                          LV     VG         Attr      LSize  Pool Origin Data%  Move Log Copy%  Convert
                          root   graylog-vg -wi-ao--- 15.29g
                          swap_1 graylog-vg -wi-ao---  4.00g
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                          scottalanmiller @DustinB3403
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                          @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                          @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                          It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                          But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                          You're losing the 15G, right?

                          I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                          Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                          Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                          1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                          2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                          3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                          So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                          Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

                          Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

                          But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

                          I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

                          No, the OVA imports a single disk with 2 LV's.

                          That's bad design.

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                            travisdh1 @scottalanmiller
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                            @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                            @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                            It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                            But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                            You're losing the 15G, right?

                            I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                            Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                            Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                            1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                            2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                            3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                            So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                            Sure it is, but after you copy that data to the new drive, you'll delete it from the old drive making it empty... Assuming XS can reclaim now empty space, you'll gain that 15 GB back.

                            Yes, in reality this is all that you do. Make a new one, remove the old.

                            But in this particular appliance scenario, that is not possible, correct?

                            I don't have the appliance in front of me, are there not separate disks for these things?

                            No, the OVA imports a single disk with 2 LV's.

                            That's bad design.

                            How XS works storage has made me question what in the world they're doing often times.

                            My particular problem here is that I probably messed up when importing the local storage.

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                              DustinB3403
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                              No there is no way to have messed up importing the "appliance".

                              They provide it as a single OVA file, the boots directly to a login prompt.

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                                momurda
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                                Doesn't ova use 1 disk automatically? If you export/import a vm as ova that contains multiple disks (c,d,e) they all are aggregated as 1 ova file during the export/import. I thin it says so on XS and VMWare when setting up these operations. ovf will give you different disks for you

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                                • DustinB3403D
                                  DustinB3403
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                                  @momurda even if it does, this would be GrayLog's issue for building an OVA file, rather than an OVF.

                                  But I'm not certain of that, maybe.

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                                    momurda
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                                    Yes, I agree. You could just increase the ova size then extend the logging lvm to give yourself more free space.

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                                      stacksofplates @DustinB3403
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                                      @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                      @momurda even if it does, this would be GrayLog's issue for building an OVA file, rather than an OVF.

                                      But I'm not certain of that, maybe.

                                      The OVF is inside of the OVA. If you want multiple disks, you can just edit the OVF.

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                                        stacksofplates @scottalanmiller
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                                        @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                        @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                        @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                        @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                        @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                        @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                                        It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                                        But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                                        You're losing the 15G, right?

                                        I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                                        Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                                        Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                                        1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                                        2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                                        3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                                        So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                                        Oh sorry, yes. Don't use appliances, build your own with proper specs 😉

                                        It handles quite a bit for what it is. I used it specifically to test what one server would handle. I changed it to 8 GB RAM and 2x6 CPUs. We're hammering it with around 60-70 million messages per day and it doesn't even blink. I did have to up the journal size, but other than that it's pretty amazing what it's doing.

                                        At some point I'm going to build a cluster because searching a string over everything takes around 10 seconds, but it's going strong.

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                                          Dashrender @stacksofplates
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                                          @stacksofplates said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                          @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                          @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                          @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                          @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                          @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                                          It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                                          But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                                          You're losing the 15G, right?

                                          I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                                          Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                                          Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                                          1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                                          2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                                          3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                                          So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                                          Oh sorry, yes. Don't use appliances, build your own with proper specs 😉

                                          It handles quite a bit for what it is. I used it specifically to test what one server would handle. I changed it to 8 GB RAM and 2x6 CPUs. We're hammering it with around 60-70 million messages per day and it doesn't even blink. I did have to up the journal size, but other than that it's pretty amazing what it's doing.

                                          At some point I'm going to build a cluster because searching a string over everything takes around 10 seconds, but it's going strong.

                                          LOL - 10 seconds. what's the business case for putting more money into making the log searches faster? I'm sure there is one, I'm just curious.

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                                            stacksofplates @Dashrender
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                                            @Dashrender said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                            @stacksofplates said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                            @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                            @scottalanmiller said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                            @BRRABill said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                            @DustinB3403 said in BRRABill's Field Report With Linux:

                                            @BRRABill Adding a second drive to a VM is literally nothing though.

                                            It would be better practice to add a drive, than to try and extend the existing one.

                                            But in theory, that 15G partition is part of the 19.5GB VHD the GrayLog appliance sets up.

                                            You're losing the 15G, right?

                                            I know 15G isn't much, but I was just thinking for future reference, if it was more than 15G.

                                            Losing 15GB? Not if you are thin provisioned.

                                            Well, as of right now, this is how things rolled...

                                            1. Imported the GrayLog OVA appliance to XS.
                                            2. It creates a 19.5GB virtual disk where it does its magic.
                                            3. Part of that magic is this 15GB partition that is now full.

                                            So, even thin provisioned, isn't that space already taken? (AKA once the data fills it, it still uses it even if the data is deleted, correct?)

                                            Oh sorry, yes. Don't use appliances, build your own with proper specs 😉

                                            It handles quite a bit for what it is. I used it specifically to test what one server would handle. I changed it to 8 GB RAM and 2x6 CPUs. We're hammering it with around 60-70 million messages per day and it doesn't even blink. I did have to up the journal size, but other than that it's pretty amazing what it's doing.

                                            At some point I'm going to build a cluster because searching a string over everything takes around 10 seconds, but it's going strong.

                                            LOL - 10 seconds. what's the business case for putting more money into making the log searches faster? I'm sure there is one, I'm just curious.

                                            It's going to get much bigger. That was only over around 200 million messages. We have to keep a years worth, so unless I close old indices and manually open them again, it's going to end up taking a while.

                                            Closing them may be the way to go, but their interface only has an option to do one action after a period of time. I might have to set up a cron job with an API call for that.

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