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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
the way it was explained to me in the unorthodox public school system was because when the pilgrims came, they saw turkeys upon arriving.
Christopher Columbus would have the natives do "favors" which then turned into "do it, or die." scenarios. mostly including turkey.Columbus was in the Caribbean, never came to the US and was in the 1400s. The Pilgrims were in New England, thousands of miles away and many countries away, two centuries later in the 1600s.
I can't imagine that Columbus ever saw a turkey, since he never discovered a region of the world that had them. Even today, to get a turkey in the Caribbean requires it be frozenand flow in from the US or Mexico, the only places where they come from.
Christopher Columbus Had lead voyages to the Caribbean, South America, and Central America.
Meaning he could have seen a turkey!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Christopher Columbus Had lead voyages to the Caribbean, South America, and Central America.
Meaning he could have seen a turkey!No matter how many places he went without turkey, he'd still not see any. LOL. The one place he never went, ever, was North America, the only place with turkey. And the parts of NA that have turkey, aren't the ones close to the parts of other places that he went.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Christopher Columbus Had lead voyages to the Caribbean, South America, and Central America.
Meaning he could have seen a turkey!No matter how many places he went without turkey, he'd still not see any. LOL. The one place he never went, ever, was North America, the only place with turkey. And the parts of NA that have turkey, aren't the ones close to the parts of other places that he went.
let me dream man!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
William Bradford, in Of Plymouth Plantation wrote:
They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercised in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they can be used (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck a meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to the proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned but true reports
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
Right. That page mentions that New Englanders had seen turkey, but never that it was served at Thanksgiving until the late 1800s. It's possible that they ate it, but it's just a later imagination thing. What was eaten in 1621 wasn't recorded, only that they ate a late harvest party for three days, nothing more.
I went through every mention of the word turkey, or the number four, on that page and can't find what you are referencing.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
William Bradford, in Of Plymouth Plantation wrote:
They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercised in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they can be used (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck a meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to the proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned but true reports
Right. How did Bradford recording "at one point, we stockpiled turkeys" translate into "we had four turkeys for 143 people at a specific party in 1621"? The one is unrelated to the other.
I have yoghurt in the fridge right now, it doesn't imply that we served it to someone yesterday.
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@WrCombs The first Thanksgiving was a harvest celebration, not a winter stockpile celebration. To eat anything that they had in their winter stocks, rather than only what was excess from the recent harvest, would have been weird and dangerous. If they had turkey saved for the long, grueling winter, it seems reckless for Bradford to have suggested that they eat that at this big party (which was mostly Indians), rather than going to town on the harvest food that they were supposedly celebrating of which they had plenty, and fresh.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
It is a customary dinner which serves as a reminder of the four wild turkeys that were served at the first Thanksgiving feast.
Yeah, but is there any record of turkey being eaten at the 1621 meal? I don't think that Bradford mentions it.
William Bradford, in Of Plymouth Plantation wrote:
They began now to gather in the small harvest they had, and to fit up their houses and dwellings against winter, being all well recovered in health and strength and had all things in good plenty. For as some were thus employed in affairs abroad, others were exercised in fishing, about cod and bass and other fish, of which they took good store, of which every family had their portion. All the summer there was no want; and now began to come in store of fowl, as winter approached, of which this place did abound when they can be used (but afterward decreased by degrees). And besides waterfowl there was great store of wild turkeys, of which they took many, besides venison, etc. Besides, they had about a peck a meal a week to a person, or now since harvest, Indian corn to the proportion. Which made many afterwards write so largely of their plenty here to their friends in England, which were not feigned but true reports
Right. How did Bradford recording "at one point, we stockpiled turkeys" translate into "we had four turkeys for 143 people at a specific party in 1621"? The one is unrelated to the other.
I have yoghurt in the fridge right now, it doesn't imply that we served it to someone yesterday.
This is America!
We dont have Rhyme or Reason for what we do.and I saw it on a google search for "History OF thanksgiving" from this https://kiddyhouse.com/Thanksgiving/symbols.html
which is less than adequate.But the thought probably was " they had wild turkeys, so that means, they had wild turkeys"
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ordering an Urn
Just to be prepared, I hope.
Nope, my grandmother passed from a stroke on the 12th of November.
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But the thought probably was " they had wild turkeys, so that means, they had wild turkeys"
The thought was probably "Butterball and the turkey lobby gave us money to say this..."
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ordering an Urn
Just to be prepared, I hope.
Nope, my grandmother passed from a stroke on the 12th of November.
Oh that sucks, I'm sorry
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But the thought probably was " they had wild turkeys, so that means, they had wild turkeys"
The thought was probably "Butterball and the turkey lobby gave us money to say this..."
https://i.imgur.com/07tNwOb.png
This is what I saw, and I haven't had enough coffee to think properly this morning.but this is 'merica!
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Ordering an Urn
Just to be prepared, I hope.
Nope, my grandmother passed from a stroke on the 12th of November.
My condolences,
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@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But the thought probably was " they had wild turkeys, so that means, they had wild turkeys"
The thought was probably "Butterball and the turkey lobby gave us money to say this..."
https://i.imgur.com/07tNwOb.png
This is what I saw, and I haven't had enough coffee to think properly this morning.but this is 'merica!
That's definitely a source that just made it up.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@WrCombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But the thought probably was " they had wild turkeys, so that means, they had wild turkeys"
The thought was probably "Butterball and the turkey lobby gave us money to say this..."
https://i.imgur.com/07tNwOb.png
This is what I saw, and I haven't had enough coffee to think properly this morning.but this is 'merica!
That's definitely a source that just made it up.
This is 'Merica!
I haven't had enough coffee to think correctly so above is my only argument to that.
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@WrCombs the only meat we know from official sources is from Winslow and he did record that an attempt was made to get fowl (not necessarily turkey, but turkey would qualify) but that they got any wasn't recorded (nor was it recorded that they didn't... he only records that people were sent out hunting.) The only food verified for certain, and way more important given the massive difference in quantity, was that five entire deer were provided.
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There were about 145 people at the 1621 Thanksgiving. The meal was three days. Four deer, on average, is 220 lbs of meat. 1.5 lbs of venison, per person (including small children, elderly, etc.) for the tiny people of the time, is a massive amount of food. That's half a pound of meat per person, per day, assuming that the feast was three entire days, not just spanning three days. You'd have quite a party based on the venison alone, no need for supplemental meats or other protein sources. I'm sure that they had them, but there is little question that the meal was all deer, and breads and so forth. Given that they were celebrating the grain harvest, not the hunting season, we'd logically expect crazy amounts of bread and other carbs.
