What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato where is that?
under your profile name and press the three dots you will see as below:
Is ML going to be GDPR compliant?
Probably a good idea, I wouldn't want to fight that fight regardless.
I wasn't fighting it, I was just showing a good change.
No not you, I mean ML. Even if they may not need to, being a US based website... is ML prepared to fight the fight if a US court, or whatever, chooses to try to enforce it?
In a case like that, it's easier to just be compliant than try to fight it.
That's true. The bigger questions are, though, what does it take to be compliant? Even EU companies aren't sure. US ones have even murkier time. No one has defined clearly any part of it. Does it apply to any website? Any business? Only those that are "data processors"? Those are all questions being asked. We have the problem that since we are not an official data processor, we have no official means of linking data to a person, it's all anonymous. So there is no means for someone to pursue GDPR requests as no associated personal data exists.
Not everyone has those questions. You do. This has been covered extensively. The only way ML is going to avoid GDPR is by retaining zero PII.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato where is that?
under your profile name and press the three dots you will see as below:
Is ML going to be GDPR compliant?
Probably a good idea, I wouldn't want to fight that fight regardless.
I wasn't fighting it, I was just showing a good change.
No not you, I mean ML. Even if they may not need to, being a US based website... is ML prepared to fight the fight if a US court, or whatever, chooses to try to enforce it?
In a case like that, it's easier to just be compliant than try to fight it.
That's true. The bigger questions are, though, what does it take to be compliant? Even EU companies aren't sure. US ones have even murkier time. No one has defined clearly any part of it. Does it apply to any website? Any business? Only those that are "data processors"? Those are all questions being asked. We have the problem that since we are not an official data processor, we have no official means of linking data to a person, it's all anonymous. So there is no means for someone to pursue GDPR requests as no associated personal data exists.
It seems that most companies are sure... I've received 100's of policy update emails, you've seen the memes, that say what they are doing to be compliant. It's interesting to look at a privacy policy before and after, which really can highlight what they needed to modify or implement to become compliant.
And lawyers, I'm sure they pay a lot of money for that too.
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@kelly said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato where is that?
under your profile name and press the three dots you will see as below:
Is ML going to be GDPR compliant?
Probably a good idea, I wouldn't want to fight that fight regardless.
I wasn't fighting it, I was just showing a good change.
No not you, I mean ML. Even if they may not need to, being a US based website... is ML prepared to fight the fight if a US court, or whatever, chooses to try to enforce it?
In a case like that, it's easier to just be compliant than try to fight it.
That's true. The bigger questions are, though, what does it take to be compliant? Even EU companies aren't sure. US ones have even murkier time. No one has defined clearly any part of it. Does it apply to any website? Any business? Only those that are "data processors"? Those are all questions being asked. We have the problem that since we are not an official data processor, we have no official means of linking data to a person, it's all anonymous. So there is no means for someone to pursue GDPR requests as no associated personal data exists.
Not everyone has those questions. You do. This has been covered extensively. The only way ML is going to avoid GDPR is by retaining zero PII.
Everyone has those question. Some people might pretend not to. But if you search, the only people who are "sure" are those selling services.
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And of those that say that they are sure... half claim that there is no way it applies, and half say it definitely applies. Clearly "sure" is the one thing we know doesn't apply.
We also have the very difficult problem of what is PII in this case? AFAIK, there is no PII involved. Because we don't have any idea who people are. But some people think it is PII, so even once you say having PII means you are covered, it isn't clear that there is PII.
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If you read this, it seems pretty clear that there isn't PII. Since there is no tracking, no profiling, and no source linkage. All of the cases where indirect are shown, it links back to a direct linkage at some point.
https://www.gdpreu.org/the-regulation/key-concepts/personal-data/
The last bit, the online identifiers, is the one bit that people like to get scared about. And maybe they should be. BUT it also applies to all of the READERS of the site, not just the site itself. It's either impossible broad and applies to people everywhere, or it's reasonable and doesn't apply here. We'd only be applicable if caught up in some massive sweep of insanity where anyone and everyone is included, even those with zero ability themselves to know they'd had something identifiable.
Given that we can't be sure anyone is even a person, let alone a specific one, it's hard to argue that there is any PII. Anything that there is is volunteered (which still would count) but not identifiable - if person X said "delete my data" the answer is "what data is yours... we have zero ability to tell."
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There could be some PII, but the pieces that are on the edge are instantly, and automatically removable. Everything I can find, it seems that we are properly covered. If someone knows of any area of concern where they think we aren't GDPR compliant, but intent or by accident, definitely let me know. Certainly we want to be compliant both in spirit and in practice. But from everything I can tell, we neither collect nor process PD, and the things that come closest to being PD are 100% authorized and auto-revokable.
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Still doing PBX migration work.
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Finished the PBX work. Almost bed time now.
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This sums up Word more than anything I've ever known.
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Heading off to bed here.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dbeato said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller So the link would be
https://mangolassi.it/user/username/consentI see it now, thanks.
This was part of 1.9.0 i believe..
NodeBB made a big deal about being a GDPR compliant forum software. Meaning the system is designed for download of all your stuff and account deletion and randomization, etc.
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Good morning everyone
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Heading to Denny's with some cousins in from out of town.
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About to take a quick nap before today’s saxophone lesson.
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@eddiejennings said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
About to take a quick nap before today’s saxophone lesson.
I wish naps could exist in my life...
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@dashrender is trooping in northern illionois.
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Just back from Denny's. I've got second cousins who moved to Dallas recently and I've not seen them yet since they moved here, so we got together for lunch today. His kids are just a little younger than mine, so that's cool, too.
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Organic farm tour, time to eat.
Better pics later.
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Got to pick a ton of Strawberries
