What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Scott here are some facts.
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Windows has UAC prompts (these are for elevation tasks, such as installing software on domain joined computers, running elevated powershell and command prompts etc)
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The Windows UAC prompt is run from the Windows Secure Desktop environment and cannot be recorded without the use of an external from the computer device IE. A cell phone etc
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On windows, just like on Linux you can elevate different processes. On Windows though you need to have a user who is a part of the local administrators security group (or domain admin).
- If this user is a part of the local admin group (wheel) then you can simply right click, run as admin, and then click Yes to proceed.
If your inexperience with Windows is the issue, no one here can make you understand. Simply put, you're making a big deal over the things you've never experienced.
Which IMO makes you the inexperienced person when it comes to using Windows in any sense of the word.
I'm unclear. None of this answers "why did you make a blank video that took six seconds to show me that something doesn't take six seconds?" that's the entire confusion. Any talk of UAC means you don't understand where I'm lost. I'm lost 100% about why a video that shows nothing useful was made to explain something. What may or may not take time off camera isn't relevant. Why do you keep talking about UAC as if that explains why you made a blank video?
Read bullet point 2. . .
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Scott here are some facts.
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Windows has UAC prompts (these are for elevation tasks, such as installing software on domain joined computers, running elevated powershell and command prompts etc)
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The Windows UAC prompt is run from the Windows Secure Desktop environment and cannot be recorded without the use of an external from the computer device IE. A cell phone etc
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On windows, just like on Linux you can elevate different processes. On Windows though you need to have a user who is a part of the local administrators security group (or domain admin).
- If this user is a part of the local admin group (wheel) then you can simply right click, run as admin, and then click Yes to proceed.
If your inexperience with Windows is the issue, no one here can make you understand. Simply put, you're making a big deal over the things you've never experienced.
Which IMO makes you the inexperienced person when it comes to using Windows in any sense of the word.
I'm unclear. None of this answers "why did you make a blank video that took six seconds to show me that something doesn't take six seconds?" that's the entire confusion. Any talk of UAC means you don't understand where I'm lost. I'm lost 100% about why a video that shows nothing useful was made to explain something. What may or may not take time off camera isn't relevant. Why do you keep talking about UAC as if that explains why you made a blank video?
Read bullet point 2. . .
Hmmm... reading it, but you still seem to be confused and talking about UAC instead of how you thought the video would be useful. If you know that it would be blank, you'd have also known that it would be useless and would show the delay and nothing else. So either you weren't aware of #2 and are just now learned how Windows does this, or you would have known that the video would only show a delay without showing how much time was used by what.
So again, mentioning UAC or that it would be blank doesn't make sense. None of that explains the question of "why did you think that a blank video would be useful?"
WHY it is blank is NOT relevant. You can explain what we know over and over again, but it doesn't address the part of confusion in any way.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Scott here are some facts.
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Windows has UAC prompts (these are for elevation tasks, such as installing software on domain joined computers, running elevated powershell and command prompts etc)
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The Windows UAC prompt is run from the Windows Secure Desktop environment and cannot be recorded without the use of an external from the computer device IE. A cell phone etc
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On windows, just like on Linux you can elevate different processes. On Windows though you need to have a user who is a part of the local administrators security group (or domain admin).
- If this user is a part of the local admin group (wheel) then you can simply right click, run as admin, and then click Yes to proceed.
If your inexperience with Windows is the issue, no one here can make you understand. Simply put, you're making a big deal over the things you've never experienced.
Which IMO makes you the inexperienced person when it comes to using Windows in any sense of the word.
I'm unclear. None of this answers "why did you make a blank video that took six seconds to show me that something doesn't take six seconds?" that's the entire confusion. Any talk of UAC means you don't understand where I'm lost. I'm lost 100% about why a video that shows nothing useful was made to explain something. What may or may not take time off camera isn't relevant. Why do you keep talking about UAC as if that explains why you made a blank video?
Read bullet point 2. . .
Hmmm... reading it, but you still seem to be confused and talking about UAC instead of how you thought the video would be useful. If you know that it would be blank, you'd have also known that it would be useless and would show the delay and nothing else. So either you weren't aware of #2 and are just now learned how Windows does this, or you would have known that the video would only show a delay without showing how much time was used by what.
So again, mentioning UAC or that it would be blank doesn't make sense. None of that explains the question of "why did you think that a blank video would be useful?"
WHY it is blank is NOT relevant. You can explain what we know over and over again, but it doesn't address the part of confusion in any way.
The part of confusion is you, has anyone piped in to state what I've shown you to be wrong?
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The part of confusion is you, has anyone piped in to state what I've shown you to be wrong?
I am certainly confused. But I can't be the main one confused, I've asked ONE question and you've never even hinted at answering it. WHY did you make a blank video knowing it would be blank? What were you trying to demonstrate showing a six second delay?
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It's only so confusing when I ask a question and get no answer. I'm confused as to why you are avoiding the answer. But that's the end of the confusion. There's nothing I'm confused on technically, but I'm confused as to why you keep mentioning irrelevant technical details as if you think I don't understand them or you think that they somehow matter.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@gjacobse said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@gjacobse said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dafyre said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@gjacobse said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How do people use PowerShell? Just opening it takes so long I forget why I was opening it!
Like @dafyre - I don't seem to have this issue. But then again, I am on a Windows machine. Could it be a Linux issue (of sorts)?
It's FAR worse on Windows than on Linux. Like 10x longer, maybe?
Maybe Windows users are just used to things being so slow that they don't notice?
I'd wager you have something going on on that system. I click the Powershell icon and start typing.
same here...
I KNOW you see it as slow. Every machine we have, it's slow. Find me any one you can that isn't.
The Windows 7 desktop I am on right now,.. takes just about 3sec to load... I see now that I am also RDP to a 2102r2 server ... and that is near instant....
Yeah, 2012 R2 (which is 8.1) that I just tested was fast. Three seconds is insanely slow, even one second is slower than other shell options.
I cannot imagine that your brain can grasp milliseconds and that it can actually see it and distinguish it. Seconds is one thing but three seconds
I mean that is insanely slow? Next time games with high graphics that low slow is insanely slow too. -
@scottalanmiller said in
None of that explains the question of "why did you think that a blank video would be useful?"So your issue of confusion is that you aren't aware that when UAC appears on Windows 10, it is impossible to record the UAC prompt and thus blanks out the screen.
So your assumption here is I should setup a tripod with an external camera so you can see my entire screen, desk, coffee mug and everything else so you can watch my type in admin credentials to run an elevated powershell window.
Does that sound correct?
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in
None of that explains the question of "why did you think that a blank video would be useful?"So your issue of confusion is that you aren't aware that when UAC appears on Windows 10, ...
See how this in no way addresses the question? You aren't even in the same conversation.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in
None of that explains the question of "why did you think that a blank video would be useful?"So your issue of confusion is that you aren't aware that when UAC appears on Windows 10, ...
See how this in no way addresses the question? You aren't even in the same conversation.
You're trolling me right?
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So your issue of confusion is that you aren't aware that when UAC appears on Windows 10, it is impossible to record the UAC prompt and thus blanks out the screen.
So your assumption here is I should setup a tripod with an external camera so you can see my entire screen, desk, coffee mug and everything else so you can watch my type in admin credentials to run an elevated powershell window.
Does that sound correct?
No, I assumed you had a point and were making the video for a reason. Instead, it showed nothing useful. WHY DID YOU MAKE THE VIDEO?
Can't you see, just one question to answer. But you'll mention Windows 10 or UAC again isntead of answering it.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in
None of that explains the question of "why did you think that a blank video would be useful?"So your issue of confusion is that you aren't aware that when UAC appears on Windows 10, ...
See how this in no way addresses the question? You aren't even in the same conversation.
You're trolling me right?
I'm asking ONE QUESTION.
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It's this simple...
Why did you make a video that showed a blank screen?
Answer: I was....
- Confused and thought you'd see something.
- Didn't understand how videos worked.
- Thought you wouldn't notice.
- Didn't realize that six seconds of dead air wouldn't be useful
I can't be the one trolling, you are the one not answering the super duper simple question.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So your issue of confusion is that you aren't aware that when UAC appears on Windows 10, it is impossible to record the UAC prompt and thus blanks out the screen.
So your assumption here is I should setup a tripod with an external camera so you can see my entire screen, desk, coffee mug and everything else so you can watch my type in admin credentials to run an elevated powershell window.
Does that sound correct?
No, I assumed you had a point and were making the video for a reason. Instead, it showed nothing useful. WHY DID YOU MAKE THE VIDEO?
Can't you see, just one question to answer. But you'll mention Windows 10 or UAC again isntead of answering it.
I made the video to show you how incorrect you are. That opening powershell on Windows is quick, regardless of the fact that it takes time to type credentials to elevate.
Just like running su, it takes time to enter your credentials. Do you call this slow? Your time to type?!
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
So your issue of confusion is that you aren't aware that when UAC appears on Windows 10, it is impossible to record the UAC prompt and thus blanks out the screen.
So your assumption here is I should setup a tripod with an external camera so you can see my entire screen, desk, coffee mug and everything else so you can watch my type in admin credentials to run an elevated powershell window.
Does that sound correct?
No, I assumed you had a point and were making the video for a reason. Instead, it showed nothing useful. WHY DID YOU MAKE THE VIDEO?
Can't you see, just one question to answer. But you'll mention Windows 10 or UAC again isntead of answering it.
I made the video to show you how incorrect you are. That opening powershell on Windows is quick, regardless of the fact that it takes time to type credentials to elevate.
but it took SIX SECONDS, exactly as I said. Yes, something was going on for some amount of time during the blank screen, but how much of that time, we have no idea. All we know is that the result was six seconds. It never showed anything being fast. It doesn't show it was slow, either. It showed nothing useful. Hence the question.
How long it takes for you to type credentials excuses why it MIGHT be slow. But given that it WAS slow means the video could not have any value in showing it to be fast unless we had an additional timer on you typing credentials. We didn't, so it doesn't show what you wanted to show at all.
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Also it is why I specifically made the second video, and highlighted the fact to you that in the longer video I have to type in credentials to elevate.
How you can't come to grasp with that bit of information and just stop already, and accept that you're wrong is mind boggling.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Also it is why I specifically made the second video, and highlighted the fact to you that in the longer video I have to type in credentials to elevate.
Yes, when you didn't type the creds, it was fast. THAT video was useful.
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How you can't come to grasp with that bit of information and just stop already, and accept that you're wrong is mind boggling.
You've never come up with something I was even remotely wrong about. The video showed it taking a long time, that didn't tell me it was fast, so why show it being slow?
And I just kept asking what you were trying to show, and you never answered. You actually got so lost that you thought I didn't know how UAC worked and confused that with wondering why you bothered to show a blank screen.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Also it is why I specifically made the second video, and highlighted the fact to you that in the longer video I have to type in credentials to elevate.
Yes, when you didn't type the creds, it was fast. THAT video was useful.
Even when I did type my credentials (and told you that I was doing so) it was still fast.
You can't say "Oh powershell is so slow compared to linux" because someone has to pass credentials to elevate.
I could just as easily argue that having to run SU over and over and over again is slower than powershell because I have to keep entering credentials over and over and over again.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
How you can't come to grasp with that bit of information and just stop already, and accept that you're wrong is mind boggling.
You've never come up with something I was even remotely wrong about. The video showed it taking a long time, that didn't tell me it was fast, so why show it being slow?
And I just kept asking what you were trying to show, and you never answered. You actually got so lost that you thought I didn't know how UAC worked and confused that with wondering why you bothered to show a blank screen.
You're clearly inexperienced with windows and thus need to come down to our trenches to continue to have this conversation.
The "6 seconds" (as if this was fucking watergate) was the same amount of time it would take most people to pass credentials into SU.
Why is this difficult to grasp?
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@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dustinb3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Also it is why I specifically made the second video, and highlighted the fact to you that in the longer video I have to type in credentials to elevate.
Yes, when you didn't type the creds, it was fast. THAT video was useful.
Even when I did type my credentials (and told you that I was doing so) it was still fast.
What? It was six seconds. How does anyone know it was fast? All we know ALL we know, is that it was six seconds. That's not fast. Maybe you take 5.9 seconds to type your creds, that's fine, then PS was fast, but whether you make the video or not, it comes down to you having to just say "it was fast". The video doesn't make it any more or less apparent than you just stating it.
