What Are You Doing Right Now
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
I don't see how. As far as his router is concerned, it's just another device. Also, I don't have my own apartment or meter. I'm a resident at the same address as him, and I pitch in towards some of the bills.
Is he a landlord or do you co-rent? That's the different. If you pay rent, and he resells the service to you, he's reselling something.
That you are "just another device" isn't relevant. It has to do with his ability to resell a non-commercial service.
I give him money and I get to stay in his backroom, but I don't have my own residence, meaning utilities in my name, my own address, etc. It's really a friend helping another friend and I pitch in towards their food bill, heat, etc. I just contribute towards living here. My "rent" is only 325 a month. He's not reselling anything. I'm a resident of this address.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@coliver said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
Realized I might have given my landlord too much credit...I needed to forward ports on his router, which mine piggybacks off of, to my router for various things, (like FTP, HTTP, SSH and 32400 for Plex) and he wouldn't give me the password, so I assume he'd set it. It's the standard-issue Verizon router. Password is written on the side of the router. It's still that. The whole configuration was the Verizon default, and I know he never goes in it. So now I have full access to local and C@C resources again!
Be careful, from what I recall this is technically breaking the law, of which you just admitted on a public forum.
I don't see how. As far as his router is concerned, it's just another device. Also, I don't have my own apartment or meter. I'm a resident at the same address as him, and I pitch in towards some of the bills.
billing tenants for utilities not in their own name is illegal in many localities. But aside from that. You just admitted to gaining unauthorized access to a device. which is illegal. (US Code 1030 deals with this).
He doesn't. I give him a fixed amount each month just to help out with what I bring as an expense, and I get to stay here. And sure, I used a password to the router/modem, but it's written on the outside of the router. And I'm a resident of this house.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@coliver said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
Realized I might have given my landlord too much credit...I needed to forward ports on his router, which mine piggybacks off of, to my router for various things, (like FTP, HTTP, SSH and 32400 for Plex) and he wouldn't give me the password, so I assume he'd set it. It's the standard-issue Verizon router. Password is written on the side of the router. It's still that. The whole configuration was the Verizon default, and I know he never goes in it. So now I have full access to local and C@C resources again!
Be careful, from what I recall this is technically breaking the law, of which you just admitted on a public forum.
I don't see how. As far as his router is concerned, it's just another device. Also, I don't have my own apartment or meter. I'm a resident at the same address as him, and I pitch in towards some of the bills.
billing tenants for utilities not in their own name is illegal in many localities. But aside from that. You just admitted to gaining unauthorized access to a device. which is illegal. (US Code 1030 deals with this).
In this particular case, the service should cost twice as much because you are a tenant the carrier is owed a full charge for your usage. That's how normal (and Verizon definitely qualifies here) ISP services are billed. It's by tenant. That you share a house doesn't change anything. It might seem like it does, but it is only because you are not thinking about how the agreement between your landlord and Verizon is structured. Spouses and children are not tenants, they are family. They don't pay to live in a house.
Now, this issue is not yours, it's between your landlord and Verizon.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
He doesn't. I give him a fixed amount each month just to help out with what I bring as an expense, and I get to stay here. And sure, I used a password to the router/modem, but it's written on the outside of the router. And I'm a resident of this house.
You illegally accessed a device that is not yours. it does not matter if the password was in neon.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
And sure, I used a password to the router/modem, but it's written on the outside of the router.
Knowing a password, and being authorized to use it are two very different things. I'm sure I could still get into many different networks if I wanted to - but, that does not mean I have been authorized to use those credentials.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
I give him money and I get to stay in his backroom, but I don't have my own residence, meaning utilities in my name, my own address, etc. It's really a friend helping another friend and I pitch in towards their food bill, heat, etc. I just contribute towards living here. My "rent" is only 325 a month. He's not reselling anything. I'm a resident of this address.
Sorry, but you're completely wrong here. You have access to her Internet, you pay him money, he's selling Verizon to you. Period, no grey area in the least. None. This is exactly what we all assumed from the beginning. You think that you just described "sharing", but your description is theft clear as can be under a standard consumer agreement.
That you feel that the amount of your rent, or that it is a back room or that the utilities are just "included" factor in shows that you are missing the point.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
@coliver said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
Realized I might have given my landlord too much credit...I needed to forward ports on his router, which mine piggybacks off of, to my router for various things, (like FTP, HTTP, SSH and 32400 for Plex) and he wouldn't give me the password, so I assume he'd set it. It's the standard-issue Verizon router. Password is written on the side of the router. It's still that. The whole configuration was the Verizon default, and I know he never goes in it. So now I have full access to local and C@C resources again!
Be careful, from what I recall this is technically breaking the law, of which you just admitted on a public forum.
I don't see how. As far as his router is concerned, it's just another device. Also, I don't have my own apartment or meter. I'm a resident at the same address as him, and I pitch in towards some of the bills.
billing tenants for utilities not in their own name is illegal in many localities. But aside from that. You just admitted to gaining unauthorized access to a device. which is illegal. (US Code 1030 deals with this).
He doesn't. I give him a fixed amount each month just to help out with what I bring as an expense, and I get to stay here. And sure, I used a password to the router/modem, but it's written on the outside of the router. And I'm a resident of this house.
If you pay him anything, you are. You already said that you are paying him and you use his Verizon. Unless you are secretly stealing from him, he is stealing from them.
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Just add that to you torrenting material likely carrying a copyright in another thread.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
He doesn't. I give him a fixed amount each month just to help out with what I bring as an expense, and I get to stay here.
That's a tenant.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
And sure, I used a password to the router/modem, but it's written on the outside of the router. And I'm a resident of this house.
How does you being a resident or him having been careless with the passwords matter? You cite factor after factor that have nothing to do with the situation. No one accused you of breaking and entering or of beating him to get him to give up the password. Only that using someone else's equipment and getting the password off of it isn't legal.
Also, the argument you make here, implying that you are a resident and have rights to the router, undermines your previous excuses about how you are not liable to pay for separate service. You feel like you are owed access to the Verizon device. Yet you say you don't pay for service.
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And speaking of theft, I just got this!
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Well, all I have to say is whatever.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thanksajdotcom said:
And sure, I used a password to the router/modem, but it's written on the outside of the router. And I'm a resident of this house.
How does you being a resident or him having been careless with the passwords matter? You cite factor after factor that have nothing to do with the situation. No one accused you of breaking and entering or of beating him to get him to give up the password. Only that using someone else's equipment and getting the password off of it isn't legal.
Also, the argument you make here, implying that you are a resident and have rights to the router, undermines your previous excuses about how you are not liable to pay for separate service. You feel like you are owed access to the Verizon device. Yet you say you don't pay for service.
By his logic if I had an office in one of those shared office spaces like we have here (http://www.techpad.org/) then I would automatically be authorized to gain access to their router and all their networking infrastructure. because I would pay rent their and they would give me a network drop off of their fiber connection.
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And now I am off to pack. Heading to Hutchinson, Kansas at 8am with the owner.
I'll be converting a couple servers from VMWare to Hyper-V, upgrading the drives, converting from RAID5 to RAID10, increasing the RAM, replacing the router, installing a Unifi AC, and probably something else I forgot.
The owner will be doing some software training with the users on our accounting package and keeping everyone away from me.
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@JaredBusch said:
I'll be converting a couple servers from VMWare to Hyper-V
I'm liking Hyper-V more and more. I just wish they'd make a tool (the third party ones are bad that I've tried) to remotely control it easily without using domain credentials.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
I'm liking Hyper-V more and more. I just wish they'd make a tool (the third party ones are bad that I've tried) to remotely control it easily without using domain credentials.
amen to that..
This one will be in an all windows 8.1 domain environment, so not really hard to remotely manage.
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@JaredBusch said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
I'm liking Hyper-V more and more. I just wish they'd make a tool (the third party ones are bad that I've tried) to remotely control it easily without using domain credentials.
amen to that..
This one will be in an all windows 8.1 domain environment, so not really hard to remotely manage.
That is, I will have remote access via ScreenConnect to any device on the network to be able to manage the Hyper-V instance.
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@thanksajdotcom said:
Well, all I have to say is whatever.
If you'd just admit what is going on and accept the risks, people wouldn't push the point. But attempting to justify things that can't be justified is where the problem comes from. Did you screw someone by changing the router? No, not at all. Does it make any actual difference? No. Could you spend ten years in jail for it? Absolutely. Those are the facts. Trying to justify that what you did is legal in the US, especially in NY where there is no state-level intervention to a judge's personal opinion, is where you keep running into these problems.
Did your landlord sell you Verizon service? Yes. Can he do that legally? No. Does it make sense that Verizon charges each user like that? Well it was good enough for him to agree to it, so yes, it is. Why do you try to justify his actions? It's not like you've made a case, you've only restated several times that he's a thief just with a lot of words. Why not just accept that he's stealing and reselling something?
When you say "whatever", it sounds like you knew you were wrong and want to attempt to walk away without admitting you were wrong. You are attempting to avoid admitting the obvious.
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I know you aren't doing it to be rude, but I think you aren't stopping to think about the "voice" that you use when typing. Everyone's writing style has a voice. You need to be as conscious of it as possible.
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I'm watching MAS*H. Haven't seen this in at least two decades, maybe more! Starting from the beginning on Netflix and working my way through for the first time ever going through the whole thing.
