What Are You Doing Right Now
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@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
They did while I was standing there telling them it was free.
And even though it is free, they denied it? There is a download link and licensing that says that it is free.
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@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just thinking on how the documentation here at Mangolassi.it is better than XenServer's official documentation, and heading to lunch.
There is Xen here at my new job. It looks simple. I havent spent much time in it and already feel comfortable.
What are they using to manage it?
XenCenter
Get XenOrchestra. Free and So much better.
They say this and dont like it, they want all the features. https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricing
That's XOA pricing, the appliance, we are talking about XO. All the features of the appliance, 100% free.
I didnt tell them to pull up the site. They did while I was standing there telling them it was free.
I believe they just finished a SAM audit and had to buy a crap load of stuff. They are now MSDN and Partner licensed.
Since I am new to Xen I am clueless on the difference.XO is open source.... no licensing involved. Support contract if you want to pay for it, but no licensing. Audit's don't come into play.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just thinking on how the documentation here at Mangolassi.it is better than XenServer's official documentation, and heading to lunch.
There is Xen here at my new job. It looks simple. I havent spent much time in it and already feel comfortable.
What are they using to manage it?
XenCenter
Get XenOrchestra. Free and So much better.
They say this and dont like it, they want all the features. https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricing
That's XOA pricing, the appliance, we are talking about XO. All the features of the appliance, 100% free.
I didnt tell them to pull up the site. They did while I was standing there telling them it was free.
I believe they just finished a SAM audit and had to buy a crap load of stuff. They are now MSDN and Partner licensed.
Since I am new to Xen I am clueless on the difference.It's not a Xen thing, it's just a standard open source thing. XO is software, it is licensed in such a way that they never need to look at the pricing. That's the miracle of open source licensing, it's standard industry knowledge and stops them from ever needing to do what they did. If they read the site carefully, they would notice a free download that is unrelated to what they looked at (yes it says for personal use but never says not for commercial use and the license is for commercial so they are obviously clear and the owner states this as well) and that what they were looking at what an appliance based on XO, not XO itself. So they weren't even looking at the pricing for what we were suggesting.
In anyone's defense, it DOES say personal, which is most other licenses means no business use.
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I'm anxiously awaiting my Pixel XL Phone since I was "ordered" to turn off and return my Note 7.
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@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I believe they just finished a SAM audit and had to buy a crap load of stuff. They are now MSDN and Partner licensed.
Could there be any better reason to move to open source and protect yourself from an audit 100% then? They are being emotional and reacting backwards to the problem. Instead of learning from the audit and fixing things, they are having a fight or flight reaction and not learning from the audit at all.
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@BRRABill said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
In anyone's defense, it DOES say personal, which is most other licenses means no business use.
It does, but it also has an open source license to ensure that there can be no confusion in the end.
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@garak0410 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm anxiously awaiting my Pixel XL Phone since I was "ordered" to
turn off and return my Note 7.pull the fuse on my old enhanced dynamiteFTFY
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@DustinB3403 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@garak0410 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I'm anxiously awaiting my Pixel XL Phone since I was "ordered" to
turn off and return my Note 7.pull the fuse on my old phoneFTFY
Exactly...as mentioned in another post...I have an option of using a Moto G4 or an iPhone 7+ 256GB until the Pixel arrives...why am I so scared to try the iPhone, beyond not having a case for it...
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Damngit ... forgot that if you sync just ONE directory in OneDrive it won't pull from the cloud. Stupid.
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@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just thinking on how the documentation here at Mangolassi.it is better than XenServer's official documentation, and heading to lunch.
There is Xen here at my new job. It looks simple. I havent spent much time in it and already feel comfortable.
What are they using to manage it?
XenCenter
Get XenOrchestra. Free and So much better.
They say this and dont like it, they want all the features. https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricing
That's XOA pricing, the appliance, we are talking about XO. All the features of the appliance, 100% free.
I didnt tell them to pull up the site. They did while I was standing there telling them it was free.
I believe they just finished a SAM audit and had to buy a crap load of stuff. They are now MSDN and Partner licensed.
Since I am new to Xen I am clueless on the difference.XO is open source.... no licensing involved. Support contract if you want to pay for it, but no licensing. Audit's don't come into play.
I am aware that it doesn't involve possible audits.
I was referring to the Microsoft SAM audit, not Xen Audit. They are just generally cautious right now. -
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@coliver said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@Texkonc said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@travisdh1 said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Just thinking on how the documentation here at Mangolassi.it is better than XenServer's official documentation, and heading to lunch.
There is Xen here at my new job. It looks simple. I havent spent much time in it and already feel comfortable.
What are they using to manage it?
XenCenter
Get XenOrchestra. Free and So much better.
They say this and dont like it, they want all the features. https://xen-orchestra.com/#!/pricing
That's XOA pricing, the appliance, we are talking about XO. All the features of the appliance, 100% free.
I didnt tell them to pull up the site. They did while I was standing there telling them it was free.
I believe they just finished a SAM audit and had to buy a crap load of stuff. They are now MSDN and Partner licensed.
Since I am new to Xen I am clueless on the difference.XO is open source.... no licensing involved. Support contract if you want to pay for it, but no licensing. Audit's don't come into play.
I am aware that it doesn't involve possible audits.
I was referring to the Microsoft SAM audit, not Xen Audit. They are just generally cautious right now.They're reacting emotionally instead of logically, means things are being done that aren't good business decisions.
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Started syncing 2.56TB of data across a 1Gb network. Thankful for a little program called rsync this afternoon, as I doubt this will finish in one go. Hopefully this time the backup box won't croak.
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@scottalanmiller Careful, that's exactly that kind of talk that would destroy Open Source done by small companies. I have a lot of work to convince investors that's a possible business, same with consultant helping with business. If they read this, tomorrow every new stuff will become closed source
XO is the software, XOA is the product. That's not a miracle, you pay for a service to enjoy XOA (turnkey, updates, QA and support). When you are running a reasonably sized company, time is even more important than a relatively small monthly fee.
But yes, we'll add more services in XOA, to help people people to understand more the real value of it
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Careful, that's exactly that kind of talk that would destroy Open Source done by small companies. I have a lot of work to convince investors that's a possible business, same with consultant helping with business. If they read this, tomorrow every new stuff will become closed source
The biggest, most successful open source investors do so by embracing it, though. Look at Red Hat, Ubuntu and Suse. They make their "free and open" message as loud and clear as possible. They know that the money is and always has been in support, not in software. You want to sell your investors on investing in your support business. Just explain that the software is the marketing tool for your support business, not the business itself. If they are looking at your software as what you are selling, they are not very smart investors (not that dumb money is a bad thing, but you know.)
You don't want big investors who are irrational and emotional and don't understand the marketplace. That's a dangerous place to be.
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
XO is the software, XOA is the product. That's not a miracle, you pay for a service to enjoy XOA (turnkey, updates, QA and support). When you are running a reasonably sized company, time is even more important than a relatively small monthly fee.
He is not, very small shop that couldn't justify any support expense but could someday grow to be one.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller Careful, that's exactly that kind of talk that would destroy Open Source done by small companies. I have a lot of work to convince investors that's a possible business, same with consultant helping with business. If they read this, tomorrow every new stuff will become closed source
The biggest, most successful open source investors do so by embracing it, though. Look at Red Hat, Ubuntu and Suse. They make their "free and open" message as loud and clear as possible. They know that the money is and always has been in support, not in software. You want to sell your investors on investing in your support business. Just explain that the software is the marketing tool for your support business, not the business itself. If they are looking at your software as what you are selling, they are not very smart investors (not that dumb money is a bad thing, but you know.)
You don't want big investors who are irrational and emotional and don't understand the marketplace. That's a dangerous place to be.
I don't know where do you find your investors/business consultant, but everyone know that Red Hat is really the exception in that business. We aren't Canonical either (lot of money to start).
I don't want to be a "realist" and leave Open Source world, but it won't work for small companies without support of people believing in it, and not reducing the value of it.
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
I don't know where do you find your investors/business consultant, but everyone know that Red Hat is really the exception in that business. We aren't Canonical either (lot of money to start).
Is RH really an exception? Even EMC is doing a similar (not open, but free without support) option now with ScaleIO. Tons and tons of the best software is fully open. Look at all the big databases today, for example. Microsoft is even moving to open source at a frantic pace.
You find your investors in Silicon Valley where closed source is mostly seen as crazy and legacy.
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
but everyone know that Red Hat is really the exception in that business.
I don't know anyone wh thinks that. Where are you finding this Luddites that know so little about software yet have money to invest? This seems archaic.
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@scottalanmiller RH is really an exception. The way today is:
- go big (millions of $) to have enough power to be critical for millions of users
- go with Freemium model
- or die
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@olivier said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller RH is really an exception. The way today is:
- go big (millions of $) to have enough power to be critical for millions of users
- go with Freemium model
- or die
I don't believe that at all. Freemium is a death sentence, that's what you do to dupe investors to ramp up cost and bail before it falls apart. ownCloud just forked to NextCloud for this very reason. ownCloud was effectively dead overnight, NextCloud looks to be doing well. Freemium is a myth, it makes people not very interested in your product while not keeping you closed. It's the worst of both worlds... not open, but not closed.
Going big is handy, but not necessary. It's handy for any company to go big, of course, but the feeling that you have to be on an epic scale just doesn't hold up. No company does well when too small, but it's actually closed source that MUST go big to survive as customers must depend on your survivability whereas with open source, they can gamble on a smaller company that might not have a viable financial future.
