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    Frugal advice on a obtaining legit copy of Win 7 for a VM I'm adding.

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    • coliverC
      coliver
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      Honest question because Microsoft licensing is vague and hard to understand sometimes - can you easily virtualize Windows 7? I thought you need special licensing on top of the base license?

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        blayn
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        Well, ultimately it's just going to be a Parallels VM to run on a Mac. So, I think I'd be safe.

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        • Deleted74295D
          Deleted74295 Banned @coliver
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          @coliver said:

          Honest question because Microsoft licensing is vague and hard to understand sometimes - can you easily virtualize Windows 7? I thought you need special licensing on top of the base license?

          "You may run on the licensed device at any one time one copy, or instance, of the software directly on the hardware (the physical operating system environment) and up to four instances of the software in virtual machines. You may create and store an unlimited number of copies (for example, copies in VMs) for use on any licensed device."

          Taken from the Win 7 EULA

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          • coliverC
            coliver @Deleted74295
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            @Breffni-Potter said:

            @coliver said:

            Honest question because Microsoft licensing is vague and hard to understand sometimes - can you easily virtualize Windows 7? I thought you need special licensing on top of the base license?

            "You may run on the licensed device at any one time one copy, or instance, of the software directly on the hardware (the physical operating system environment) and up to four instances of the software in virtual machines. You may create and store an unlimited number of copies (for example, copies in VMs) for use on any licensed device."

            Taken from the Win 7 EULA

            Good to hear. Thanks.

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Deleted74295
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              @Breffni-Potter said:

              @coliver said:

              Honest question because Microsoft licensing is vague and hard to understand sometimes - can you easily virtualize Windows 7? I thought you need special licensing on top of the base license?

              "You may run on the licensed device at any one time one copy, or instance, of the software directly on the hardware (the physical operating system environment) and up to four instances of the software in virtual machines. You may create and store an unlimited number of copies (for example, copies in VMs) for use on any licensed device."

              Taken from the Win 7 EULA

              Isn't that from the Enterprise EULA?

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              • dafyreD
                dafyre
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                It shouldn't matter if he is going to use it to run as a VM or on a Physical PC... A license is a license, isn't it?

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                • JaredBuschJ
                  JaredBusch @dafyre
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                  @dafyre said:

                  It shouldn't matter if he is going to use it to run as a VM or on a Physical PC... A license is a license, isn't it?

                  No, it is not. The license agreements very unclearly state this.

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                  • MattSpellerM
                    MattSpeller @JaredBusch
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                    @JaredBusch said:

                    No, it is not. The license agreements very unclearly state this.

                    +10

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                    • dafyreD
                      dafyre
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                      They can come and arrest me then, lol. I've been alternating between Physical Machine and VM with my licenses since the XP era.

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                      • MattSpellerM
                        MattSpeller @dafyre
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                        @dafyre I would also get chucked under the MS licencing bus

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                        • scottalanmillerS
                          scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                          @dafyre said:

                          It shouldn't matter if he is going to use it to run as a VM or on a Physical PC... A license is a license, isn't it?

                          Not at all. Hence the entire existence of the VDI situation. In one direction, on workstations, Microsoft licensing has made it ridiculous to try to virtualize in many cases because it is so restrictive and expensive.

                          In the other direction on servers, there are loads of licensing advantages to running virtual (multiple VM images on a single server with a single license.)

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                          • scottalanmillerS
                            scottalanmiller @dafyre
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                            @dafyre said:

                            They can come and arrest me then, lol. I've been alternating between Physical Machine and VM with my licenses since the XP era.

                            XP, last I knew, had no way to be virtualized. It was Vista or 7 that introduced an option.

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                            • DustinB3403D
                              DustinB3403
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                              I thought it was against the terms of service to strip a product key off of an already assembled computer to re-purpose it as a VM..

                              Maybe I was wrong with that but I'm almost certain I read that on an OEM Agreement for Windows 7.

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                              • DashrenderD
                                Dashrender @dafyre
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                                @dafyre said:

                                It shouldn't matter if he is going to use it to run as a VM or on a Physical PC... A license is a license, isn't it?

                                Nope.

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                                • DashrenderD
                                  Dashrender @scottalanmiller
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                                  @scottalanmiller said:

                                  @dafyre said:

                                  They can come and arrest me then, lol. I've been alternating between Physical Machine and VM with my licenses since the XP era.

                                  XP, last I knew, had no way to be virtualized. It was Vista or 7 that introduced an option.

                                  You couldn't purchase a XP license for a machine and install that instance as a VM? one license one VM, not accessed remotely?

                                  I know the remote access is where you run into all kinds of trouble.

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                                  • JaredBuschJ
                                    JaredBusch @DustinB3403
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                                    @DustinB3403 said:

                                    I thought it was against the terms of service to strip a product key off of an already assembled computer to re-purpose it as a VM..

                                    Maybe I was wrong with that but I'm almost certain I read that on an OEM Agreement for Windows 7.

                                    OEM licenses are tied to the hardware. I have a scenario where SBS2008 was purchased OEM. Legally, I cannot reinstall that license on any other hardware. I can legally format the hard, install a Hypervisor, and install SBS as a VM on that hardware.

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                                    • scottalanmillerS
                                      scottalanmiller @Dashrender
                                      last edited by

                                      @Dashrender said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      @dafyre said:

                                      They can come and arrest me then, lol. I've been alternating between Physical Machine and VM with my licenses since the XP era.

                                      XP, last I knew, had no way to be virtualized. It was Vista or 7 that introduced an option.

                                      You couldn't purchase a XP license for a machine and install that instance as a VM? one license one VM, not accessed remotely?

                                      I know the remote access is where you run into all kinds of trouble.

                                      I asked about that once, never felt like I got a straight answer.

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                                      • DustinB3403D
                                        DustinB3403
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                                        So then whoever made the comment about purchasing old NSA equipment and taking that key is outside of bounds in Microsoft's Eyes...

                                        Just sayin'

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                                        • DashrenderD
                                          Dashrender
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                                          To answer the OP,
                                          It depends on where the VM will live. If the VM will be on a single desktop/laptop, then you need to purchase a Full Box Product license to put assign to that machine - you can't take an OEM from another computer and move it to this machine.

                                          If you want to run the VM remotely, and access it over the network/internet/whatever, then you have to either purchase VDI for the, I think, every machine that will access the VM, or you can purchase SA for every machine that will access it.

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                                          • StrongBadS
                                            StrongBad
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                                            OEM licenses can never move, no matter what the circumstances. They are where they started and they die when that device retires.

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