Datacenters: Colocation vs. Cloud
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
Off site backup services will ship harddives. CrashPlan and others will do this.
"Customers in the US, Australia, New Zealand, and all overseas US Armed Forces POs."
http://support.code42.com/CrashPlan/Latest/Backup/Seeded_BackupCan I find someone who is not in the US?
This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?
Real question, this is something that I've been trying to figure out and cannot. Why do all these companies start and succeed in the US and no one leverage the known, working model elsewhere where the service is needed and lacking?
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I have one client with a collocation space rented for their offsite backups. They know the other options, but chose this route anyway.
Everything else is hosted.
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@JaredBusch said:
I have one client with a collocation space rented for their offsite backups. They know the other options, but chose this route anyway.
Everything else is hosted.
I can see backup tasks as a good place for colo in many cases. The odd capacity needs can make that very cost effective.
We keep a large Unitrends device in a colo for our own backups.
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@scottalanmiller said:
I can see backup tasks as a good place for colo in many cases. The odd capacity needs can make that very cost effective.
Their choice also had benefits for me. They allowed us to put in our own servers, originally for a lab, in their space (because they only needed 1U and cannot rent only 1U cost effectively). Si I have a couple Dell servers and a switch in there.
Our phone system is running on it (because it evolved from a test VM) as well as a few other tasks that I have not moved to a hosted solution simply because the space is available at a cost less than hosted.
Once that changes, the loads will go hosted.
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Oh, we mostly use 2U slots, but the 1U in our colo is VERY cost effective. Not half the cost of 2U but not more than 70%, I'd say. It's a great deal if you don't need the extra local disk space.
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@scottalanmiller said:
This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?
This is what I am actively exploring in the UK, If no one else will offer it...I just might.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
@scottalanmiller said:
This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?
This is what I am actively exploring in the UK, If no one else will offer it...I just might.
Looks like this company might do it http://www.ceejay.net/ It's a Crashplan partner.
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They look tiny. Appearances might be deceiving though. 11k of net worth in 2014 doesn't look great.
Online only reseller with no local hosting of their own.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
Telephone International +44 131 503 00 11
Telephone UK 0131 503 00 11Thanks, deleted the bit about lack of phone number.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
@scottalanmiller said:
This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?
This is what I am actively exploring in the UK, If no one else will offer it...I just might.
Looks like this company might do it http://www.ceejay.net/ It's a Crashplan partner.
Do they have pure UK or EU services?
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@scottalanmiller said:
Do they have pure UK or EU services?
Well it says they do
"CrashPlan Backup for Business and Enterprise in the CeeJay Cloud, utilising the latest CrashPlan PROe enterprise servers, conveniently located in Europe. The CeeJay Cloud is provided by and managed by CeeJay Software Limited who are the Code42 Certified Partner."
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@scottalanmiller said:
@thecreativeone91 said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
@scottalanmiller said:
This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?
This is what I am actively exploring in the UK, If no one else will offer it...I just might.
Looks like this company might do it http://www.ceejay.net/ It's a Crashplan partner.
Do they have pure UK or EU services?
No idea. I'd say contact them and see.
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Oh hang on...
"After the 14th April 2015 CeeJay Software will be migrating away from Dublin to the new Code42 Amsterdam Data Centre"
So ummm...they don't control the servers, Code42 do
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They are a Scottish company and don't appear to have a US office. Not touching the US is key. Once you set foot in the US, you are vulnerable to US legal issues.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Oh hang on...
"After the 14th April 2015 CeeJay Software will be migrating away from Dublin to the new Code42 Amsterdam Data Centre"
So ummm...they don't control the servers, Code42 do
So we'd need to know if Code42 is to be trusted (I have no idea who they are, random third party) and if they ever touch the US.
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@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Oh hang on...
"After the 14th April 2015 CeeJay Software will be migrating away from Dublin to the new Code42 Amsterdam Data Centre"
So ummm...they don't control the servers, Code42 do
So we'd need to know if Code42 is to be trusted (I have no idea who they are, random third party) and if they ever touch the US.
They are in the US. The own CrashPlan here. and are trusted. but is the US trusted?
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Just looks like an online reseller to me. Especially when you look at their yearly accounts, good enough for them but I seriously doubt they have their own infrastructure.
http://www.endole.co.uk/company/SC390957/ceejay-software-limited
The US is definitely not trusted.
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@Breffni-Potter said:
Just looks like an online reseller to me. Especially when you look at their yearly accounts, good enough for them but I seriously doubt they have their own infrastructure.
http://www.endole.co.uk/company/SC390957/ceejay-software-limited
The US is definitely not trusted.
Only $5k in the bank?
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and quite a bit of debt. This looks almost, okay not near as bad as C@C.
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@thecreativeone91 said:
@scottalanmiller said:
@Breffni-Potter said:
Oh hang on...
"After the 14th April 2015 CeeJay Software will be migrating away from Dublin to the new Code42 Amsterdam Data Centre"
So ummm...they don't control the servers, Code42 do
So we'd need to know if Code42 is to be trusted (I have no idea who they are, random third party) and if they ever touch the US.
They are in the US. The own CrashPlan here. and are trusted. but is the US trusted?
The whole point is avoiding the US. Once a business touches the US, it is tainted by the ability for the US to get the data without a warrant, without notifying the country in question, without notifying the end users, etc. Once the US is involved, there are no laws and you are assumed guilty. You don't own your data.
Code42 is in the US? Can't tell which vendor is the tainted one here.
