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      A Former User @Deleted74295
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      @Breffni-Potter said:

      @scottalanmiller said:

      This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?

      This is what I am actively exploring in the UK, If no one else will offer it...I just might.

      Looks like this company might do it http://www.ceejay.net/ It's a Crashplan partner.

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        Deleted74295 Banned
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        They look tiny. Appearances might be deceiving though. 11k of net worth in 2014 doesn't look great.

        Online only reseller with no local hosting of their own.

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          Deleted74295 Banned @Guest
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          @thecreativeone91 said:

          Telephone International +44 131 503 00 11
          Telephone UK 0131 503 00 11

          Thanks, deleted the bit about lack of phone number.

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            scottalanmiller @A Former User
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            @thecreativeone91 said:

            @Breffni-Potter said:

            @scottalanmiller said:

            This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?

            This is what I am actively exploring in the UK, If no one else will offer it...I just might.

            Looks like this company might do it http://www.ceejay.net/ It's a Crashplan partner.

            Do they have pure UK or EU services?

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              Deleted74295 Banned @scottalanmiller
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              @scottalanmiller said:

              Do they have pure UK or EU services?

              Well it says they do

              "CrashPlan Backup for Business and Enterprise in the CeeJay Cloud, utilising the latest CrashPlan PROe enterprise servers, conveniently located in Europe. The CeeJay Cloud is provided by and managed by CeeJay Software Limited who are the Code42 Certified Partner."

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                A Former User @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:

                @thecreativeone91 said:

                @Breffni-Potter said:

                @scottalanmiller said:

                This is a question that I keep asking. Why are non-US companies not going crazy providing all of these awesome services that we take for granted in the US? Why are there no European cloud host, backup vendors of this nature, etc.?

                This is what I am actively exploring in the UK, If no one else will offer it...I just might.

                Looks like this company might do it http://www.ceejay.net/ It's a Crashplan partner.

                Do they have pure UK or EU services?

                No idea. I'd say contact them and see.

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                  Deleted74295 Banned
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                  Oh hang on...

                  "After the 14th April 2015 CeeJay Software will be migrating away from Dublin to the new Code42 Amsterdam Data Centre"

                  So ummm...they don't control the servers, Code42 do

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                    scottalanmiller
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                    They are a Scottish company and don't appear to have a US office. Not touching the US is key. Once you set foot in the US, you are vulnerable to US legal issues.

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                      scottalanmiller @Deleted74295
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                      @Breffni-Potter said:

                      Oh hang on...

                      "After the 14th April 2015 CeeJay Software will be migrating away from Dublin to the new Code42 Amsterdam Data Centre"

                      So ummm...they don't control the servers, Code42 do

                      So we'd need to know if Code42 is to be trusted (I have no idea who they are, random third party) and if they ever touch the US.

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                        A Former User @scottalanmiller
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                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @Breffni-Potter said:

                        Oh hang on...

                        "After the 14th April 2015 CeeJay Software will be migrating away from Dublin to the new Code42 Amsterdam Data Centre"

                        So ummm...they don't control the servers, Code42 do

                        So we'd need to know if Code42 is to be trusted (I have no idea who they are, random third party) and if they ever touch the US.

                        They are in the US. The own CrashPlan here. and are trusted. but is the US trusted?

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                          Deleted74295 Banned
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                          Just looks like an online reseller to me. Especially when you look at their yearly accounts, good enough for them but I seriously doubt they have their own infrastructure.

                          http://www.endole.co.uk/company/SC390957/ceejay-software-limited

                          The US is definitely not trusted. 🙂

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                            A Former User @Deleted74295
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                            @Breffni-Potter said:

                            Just looks like an online reseller to me. Especially when you look at their yearly accounts, good enough for them but I seriously doubt they have their own infrastructure.

                            http://www.endole.co.uk/company/SC390957/ceejay-software-limited

                            The US is definitely not trusted. 🙂

                            Only $5k in the bank?

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                              A Former User
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                              and quite a bit of debt. This looks almost, okay not near as bad as C@C.

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                                scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                                @thecreativeone91 said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @Breffni-Potter said:

                                Oh hang on...

                                "After the 14th April 2015 CeeJay Software will be migrating away from Dublin to the new Code42 Amsterdam Data Centre"

                                So ummm...they don't control the servers, Code42 do

                                So we'd need to know if Code42 is to be trusted (I have no idea who they are, random third party) and if they ever touch the US.

                                They are in the US. The own CrashPlan here. and are trusted. but is the US trusted?

                                The whole point is avoiding the US. Once a business touches the US, it is tainted by the ability for the US to get the data without a warrant, without notifying the country in question, without notifying the end users, etc. Once the US is involved, there are no laws and you are assumed guilty. You don't own your data.

                                Code42 is in the US? Can't tell which vendor is the tainted one here.

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                                  scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                                  @thecreativeone91 said:

                                  @Breffni-Potter said:

                                  Just looks like an online reseller to me. Especially when you look at their yearly accounts, good enough for them but I seriously doubt they have their own infrastructure.

                                  http://www.endole.co.uk/company/SC390957/ceejay-software-limited

                                  The US is definitely not trusted. 🙂

                                  Only $5k in the bank?

                                  If the UK is anything like the US, this information is all fake and is meant to extort the business in question into paying to have the data about them corrected. Those services are pretty universally fake. I know that Dunn and Bradstreet uses social engineering and has no validity to their data sources and they are "highly regarded." Others are likely even worse.

                                  Private companies are literally private. These services have no means of finding out their revenue, their size, their debt, etc.

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                                    A Former User @scottalanmiller
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                                    @scottalanmiller said:

                                    If the UK is anything like the US, this information is all fake

                                    Except for 501(c)3's all that info is public.

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                                      scottalanmiller @A Former User
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                                      @thecreativeone91 said:

                                      @scottalanmiller said:

                                      If the UK is anything like the US, this information is all fake

                                      Except for 501(c)3's all that info is public.

                                      Nope, I've worked for private companies for most of my life and I know for a fact that that data is in no way public. PUBLIC companies are public, but most companies are private and there is no means of looking them up if they don't disclose voluntarily. They don't file with the SEC so there is no government agency or private agency that accumulates that data.

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                                        scottalanmiller
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                                        And a private company disclosing has no SEC oversight so you have to take their disclosure with a grain of salt as there is no one checking to make sure that what they disclose is accurate or the full story.

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                                          scottalanmiller
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                                          A private company can have a billion in the bank (and some do) and no one can tell for sure. It's not like a reporter calls up your bank and asks how much cash you have and they just tell them.

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                                            A Former User
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                                            In Government all of ours was public either posted publicly or through FOIA but, good luck knowing exactly what was used for what. They use codes and IDs to cover up what a lot of things are. Payband codes etc. So you never really know.

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