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    • scottalanmillerS
      scottalanmiller @thanksajdotcom
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      @thanksajdotcom said:

      Because FiOS routers are crap, despite they are supposed to be great.

      Mine in Texas worked fine. I replaced it for security reasons, but not because it wasn't fast.

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      • thanksajdotcomT
        thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
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        @scottalanmiller said:

        @thanksajdotcom said:

        Because FiOS routers are crap, despite they are supposed to be great.

        Mine in Texas worked fine. I replaced it for security reasons, but not because it wasn't fast.

        Yes, but I doubt you had that volume of traffic going through your router from your home network on a daily basis. Like I said, usually around 150GB per day between up and down. I've seen Verizon routers run fine for months for people who just stream Netflix, browse the web and do the basics. But high levels of intensive use, and they just crack.

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @thanksajdotcom
          last edited by

          @thanksajdotcom said:

          Yes, but I doubt you had that volume of traffic going through your router from your home network on a daily basis. Like I said, usually around 150GB per day between up and down. I've seen Verizon routers run fine for months for people who just stream Netflix, browse the web and do the basics. But high levels of intensive use, and they just crack.

          What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

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          • Reid CooperR
            Reid Cooper @coliver
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            @coliver said:

            @thanksajdotcom said:

            @coliver said:

            @thanksajdotcom said:

            @coliver said:

            @thanksajdotcom IP

            Your computer is cabled and not over wifi, correct?

            Correct.

            So let me see if I got this right...

            Cabled, pinging by IP, and this is basically how it flows?

            Computer > patch panel > firewall

            With that setup, you're getting 2-300ms response times that are somewhat random to the firewall, but everything else works fine?

            Pretty much. Although VoIP is having some latency issues when calling out, internally it is working as expected, except for one user. Externally audio can be a bit choppy.

            Every machine I've tested this with seems to have the same issue with latency when talking to the firewall, although not so much any other device on the network.

            Check the cabling and reboot the router. But sounds like it is likely a router issue. Maybe grab Cisco support and see if know anything.

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            • coliverC
              coliver @Reid Cooper
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              @Reid-Cooper said:

              @coliver said:

              @thanksajdotcom said:

              @coliver said:

              @thanksajdotcom said:

              @coliver said:

              @thanksajdotcom IP

              Your computer is cabled and not over wifi, correct?

              Correct.

              So let me see if I got this right...

              Cabled, pinging by IP, and this is basically how it flows?

              Computer > patch panel > firewall

              With that setup, you're getting 2-300ms response times that are somewhat random to the firewall, but everything else works fine?

              Pretty much. Although VoIP is having some latency issues when calling out, internally it is working as expected, except for one user. Externally audio can be a bit choppy.

              Every machine I've tested this with seems to have the same issue with latency when talking to the firewall, although not so much any other device on the network.

              Check the cabling and reboot the router. But sounds like it is likely a router issue. Maybe grab Cisco support and see if know anything.

              Yep, I've got a case open with Cisco/Meraki support. I wish I could see common stats on this device like memory or processor usage... can't even query it with SNMP.

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              • JaredBuschJ
                JaredBusch @scottalanmiller
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                @scottalanmiller said:

                What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

                Torrents

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                • Reid CooperR
                  Reid Cooper @coliver
                  last edited by

                  @coliver said:

                  Yep, I've got a case open with Cisco/Meraki support. I wish I could see common stats on this device like memory or processor usage... can't even query it with SNMP.

                  That's awful.

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                  • scottalanmillerS
                    scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                    last edited by

                    @JaredBusch said:

                    @scottalanmiller said:

                    What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

                    Torrents

                    Does that often actually pull more than several Netflix streams?

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                    • coliverC
                      coliver @scottalanmiller
                      last edited by

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      @JaredBusch said:

                      @scottalanmiller said:

                      What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

                      Torrents

                      Does that often actually pull more than several Netflix streams?

                      Torrents will quickly saturate a connection if you aren't limiting them.

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                      • thanksajdotcomT
                        thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
                        last edited by

                        @scottalanmiller said:

                        @thanksajdotcom said:

                        Yes, but I doubt you had that volume of traffic going through your router from your home network on a daily basis. Like I said, usually around 150GB per day between up and down. I've seen Verizon routers run fine for months for people who just stream Netflix, browse the web and do the basics. But high levels of intensive use, and they just crack.

                        What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

                        It's not how much bandwidth you pull. Several Netflix streams will use some bandwidth, but I'd bet you were still using under 10GB combined between up and down in a day. Multiple that more than tenfold and factor in that it's running 24/7. You might stream some Netflix, then stop and browse the web, etc. I was at your house for awhile and got a good idea of how you guys use your network. You're nowhere near how much bandwidth I consume. You probably took half a month to use what I use in a day.

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch @coliver
                          last edited by

                          @coliver said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          @JaredBusch said:

                          @scottalanmiller said:

                          What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

                          Torrents

                          Does that often actually pull more than several Netflix streams?

                          Torrents will quickly saturate a connection if you aren't limiting them.

                          Not only will they saturate the link, but it can easily reach thousands of connections also. That is actually what kills most routers. The simultaneous connections.

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                          • thanksajdotcomT
                            thanksajdotcom @scottalanmiller
                            last edited by

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            @JaredBusch said:

                            @scottalanmiller said:

                            What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

                            Torrents

                            Does that often actually pull more than several Netflix streams?

                            When I've got several downloads going, combined with uploads, I'm using a combined over 5MB/sec of bandwidth. Granted, once my downloads finish, many times it's under 1MB/sec for most of the day, but still, the router never really gets a break. The reboot just helps "flush the system" as it were.

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                            • thanksajdotcomT
                              thanksajdotcom @JaredBusch
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                              @JaredBusch said:

                              @coliver said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              @JaredBusch said:

                              @scottalanmiller said:

                              What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

                              Torrents

                              Does that often actually pull more than several Netflix streams?

                              Torrents will quickly saturate a connection if you aren't limiting them.

                              Not only will they saturate the link, but it can easily reach thousands of connections also. That is actually what kills most routers. The simultaneous connections.

                              The ones I run generally don't have more than 20 or 30 connections per torrent, and I usually don't have more than 5 or 6 torrents running simultaneously. Still, several hundred connections at any given point is not at all unlikely.

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                              • scottalanmillerS
                                scottalanmiller @thanksajdotcom
                                last edited by

                                @thanksajdotcom said:

                                @scottalanmiller said:

                                @thanksajdotcom said:

                                Yes, but I doubt you had that volume of traffic going through your router from your home network on a daily basis. Like I said, usually around 150GB per day between up and down. I've seen Verizon routers run fine for months for people who just stream Netflix, browse the web and do the basics. But high levels of intensive use, and they just crack.

                                What is more intensive than several Netflix streams at once?

                                It's not how much bandwidth you pull. Several Netflix streams will use some bandwidth, but I'd bet you were still using under 10GB combined between up and down in a day. Multiple that more than tenfold and factor in that it's running 24/7. You might stream some Netflix, then stop and browse the web, etc. I was at your house for awhile and got a good idea of how you guys use your network. You're nowhere near how much bandwidth I consume. You probably took half a month to use what I use in a day.

                                We often have 2-3 HD streams all day because the kids just constantly leave it on.

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                                • scottalanmillerS
                                  scottalanmiller @JaredBusch
                                  last edited by

                                  @JaredBusch said:

                                  Not only will they saturate the link, but it can easily reach thousands of connections also. That is actually what kills most routers. The simultaneous connections.

                                  Ah, that makes more sense. The bandwidth of Netflix HD is pretty high.

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                                  • coliverC
                                    coliver
                                    last edited by

                                    Jitter graph for the past two hours:

                                    2015-04-17 10_00_46-Ping Jitter 1 _ Sensor Details _ PRTG Network Monitor (SSI-C019-201301).png

                                    Ping graph over the last two hours.

                                    2015-04-17 10_01_33-PING 3 _ Sensor Details _ PRTG Network Monitor (SSI-C019-201301).png

                                    Short downtime was when I moved my cable back to the switch.

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                                    • thanksajdotcomT
                                      thanksajdotcom @coliver
                                      last edited by

                                      @coliver said:

                                      Jitter graph for the past two hours:

                                      2015-04-17 10_00_46-Ping Jitter 1 _ Sensor Details _ PRTG Network Monitor (SSI-C019-201301).png

                                      Ping graph over the last two hours.

                                      2015-04-17 10_01_33-PING 3 _ Sensor Details _ PRTG Network Monitor (SSI-C019-201301).png

                                      Short downtime was when I moved my cable back to the switch.

                                      Seems to me the best thing to do would be reboot the firewall and see if that fixes it.

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                                      • coliverC
                                        coliver @thanksajdotcom
                                        last edited by

                                        @thanksajdotcom said:

                                        @coliver said:

                                        Jitter graph for the past two hours:

                                        2015-04-17 10_00_46-Ping Jitter 1 _ Sensor Details _ PRTG Network Monitor (SSI-C019-201301).png

                                        Ping graph over the last two hours.

                                        2015-04-17 10_01_33-PING 3 _ Sensor Details _ PRTG Network Monitor (SSI-C019-201301).png

                                        Short downtime was when I moved my cable back to the switch.

                                        Seems to me the best thing to do would be reboot the firewall and see if that fixes it.

                                        I'll have to try that. Can't do it right now though.

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                                        • thanksajdotcomT
                                          thanksajdotcom @coliver
                                          last edited by

                                          @coliver said:

                                          @thanksajdotcom said:

                                          @coliver said:

                                          Jitter graph for the past two hours:

                                          2015-04-17 10_00_46-Ping Jitter 1 _ Sensor Details _ PRTG Network Monitor (SSI-C019-201301).png

                                          Ping graph over the last two hours.

                                          2015-04-17 10_01_33-PING 3 _ Sensor Details _ PRTG Network Monitor (SSI-C019-201301).png

                                          Short downtime was when I moved my cable back to the switch.

                                          Seems to me the best thing to do would be reboot the firewall and see if that fixes it.

                                          I'll have to try that. Can't do it right now though.

                                          Yeah, I understand. If you guys have a time when most people go to lunch, just tell everyone you're gonna bring the network down for 10 minutes and to grab some coffee and food in the meantime.

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                                          • scottalanmillerS
                                            scottalanmiller
                                            last edited by

                                            Grab a Ubiquiti Edge Router and throw that in there and see if everything clears up 🙂

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