What Are You Doing Right Now
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@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@notverypunny some more food for thought...
I'm not getting a vaccination for something that literally poses no real threat to me or 99.9% of the world.
Sure, I'll vaccinate against polio or smallpox for example because most people who get that would be fucked. No argument there. But for the flu or covid? Wtf?
Have you been able to see or read any info on what COVID can leave you with? It may not kill you but it can screw up your organs & shorten your life. Is your brain an organ? Anyway, it can also affect your brain function.
There's an after effect they call Long COVID in which people suffer many symptoms which linger for months after you've been cleared of COVID. This could keep you off work for as long as you have it.
The vaccine's don't stop you getting it, it just makes the symptoms less severe.
You mention you believe it poses no real threat to you. Have you contracted COVID yet? Have you contracted a bad bout of COVID yet? Until you do, you won't know if you're immune to it or not? It may kill you, you won't know until you see how your body can defend itself against it..
If the vaccine is free for you to get and you can get it, I don't understand why you'd put yourself at risk? You can rely on your ears to listen for traffic when you cross the road, but I bet you always look. The vaccine's the same, you can take the gamble and not get it, but why wouldn't you?
Not being confrontational here, just carrying on a discussion, that's all.
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Awaiting moving truck for apartment relocation.
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Surprisingly made it to work today.
My back started giving me trouble Friday, by Saturday night I almost couldn't move without being in pain - and Had the tingling and numbness in my lower legs (which is normal for me..) Yesterday it got progressively worse until Bed time when I took some pain killers I have from the last time this happened.
Moving pretty slow today.
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@siringo said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
The vaccine's don't stop you getting it, it just makes the symptoms less severe.
That's not how vaccines work. That's now OTC medicine works... for example, you get the Flu, and you take something for headache. It lessens the symptom, but does nothing to stop you from getting the virus. Vaccines on the other hand, are absolutely designed to stop you from getting it. They either do or don't stop it, which is why the vaccine has an percent based effective rate. What you might be referring to, is in the cases in which the vaccine is in-effective (excluding the cases where you get sick after getting vaccinated, but before enough time passes that you're fully immune)... in THOSE cases it can lessen the symptoms.
You're also throwing around a whole lot of "can" and "could" as if everything you say is "how it is" in all cases.
But if, for example, you look at the CDC numbers, you'll see that only about 0.05% of those who get Covid19 are hospitalized. Of those 0.05%, something like 80+% have severe underlying conditions, where you'd already know that your at-risk anyways. Most of the others are simply old age. Then you're left with an insanely small amount of fringe cases... which you will have with everything you can possible imagine.
For most people, the common cold produces more severe symptoms than Covid19. Covid19 is only so bad because how badly it effects those at risk, where other things such as flu and common cold is something that makes pretty much everyone (for the sake of making the point) equally sick regardless of health. My whole household was recently very sick from the common cold, and the symptoms were pretty bad (but standard). But last year, we have all had Covid19, and didn't even notice.
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@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
That's not how vaccines work. That's now OTC medicine works... for example, you get the Flu, and you take something for headache. It lessens the symptom, but does nothing to stop you from getting the virus. Vaccines on the other hand, are absolutely designed to stop you from getting it.
That's nice in theory. But here in the real world, what something is designed to do and what something does aren't the same. While the vaccine does reduce your chance of getting the virus, the primary purpose that people are getting it for is the discovery that the vaccines protects well against severe cases of the virus and can even lead to recovery from long term symptoms.
In the current, real world situation, the vaccine is one to reduce symptoms, not to stop you from getting the virus.
And we've had people we know infected after getting the vaccine.
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@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Covid19 is only so bad because how badly it effects those at risk
Where "at risk" is almost entirely unpredictable and could be absolutely anyone with no way to guess ahead of time.
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@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But last year, we have all had Covid19, and didn't even notice.
THat's great, but it's random. What we can't risk is members of society deciding that since they are not at risk, that they won't contribute to saving the lives of others who are. That you are not at risk is totally random. You could have just as easily had your family wiped out. We can't risk people getting callous because they aren't at risk and putting others at risk because they know that they are safe.
Protecting people at risk whether with illness or abuse or robbery or discrimination can't be entirely the job of those at risk to protect themselves, primary protection always has to come from those at least risk.
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@wrcombs said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Surprisingly made it to work today.
My back started giving me trouble Friday, by Saturday night I almost couldn't move without being in pain - and Had the tingling and numbness in my lower legs (which is normal for me..) Yesterday it got progressively worse until Bed time when I took some pain killers I have from the last time this happened.
Moving pretty slow today.
Gonna Suck.I had (still have) lots of pain and tingly numbness left over from a severe B12 deficiency. So be sure to get plenty of vitamins in you, even if that's not the cause.
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Trying to get caught up, I'm only at a house for two days. Then driving to Florida, ugh.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But last year, we have all had Covid19, and didn't even notice.
THat's great, but it's random. What we can't risk is members of society deciding that since they are not at risk, that they won't contribute to saving the lives of others who are. That you are not at risk is totally random. You could have just as easily had your family wiped out. We can't risk people getting callous because they aren't at risk and putting others at risk because they know that they are safe.
Protecting people at risk whether with illness or abuse or robbery or discrimination can't be entirely the job of those at risk to protect themselves, primary protection always has to come from those at least risk.
I understand what you are saying here - but by that token, you have to stop people from driving too. Hell I'm curious what the major injury percentage and/or death rates of car related things compared to covid19?
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
But last year, we have all had Covid19, and didn't even notice.
THat's great, but it's random. What we can't risk is members of society deciding that since they are not at risk, that they won't contribute to saving the lives of others who are. That you are not at risk is totally random. You could have just as easily had your family wiped out. We can't risk people getting callous because they aren't at risk and putting others at risk because they know that they are safe.
Protecting people at risk whether with illness or abuse or robbery or discrimination can't be entirely the job of those at risk to protect themselves, primary protection always has to come from those at least risk.
I understand what you are saying here - but by that token, you have to stop people from driving too. Hell I'm curious what the major injury percentage and/or death rates of car related things compared to covid19?
Which I'm 100% in support of. I believe strongly that people driving their own cars is a horrible idea and understand that we don't have a quick solution. But I couldn't possibly tell you how strongly I support almost immediately requiring self driving cars and making humans driving cars illegal. It's too much risk for essentially no benefit.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
Hell I'm curious what the major injury percentage and/or death rates of car related things compared to covid19?
Hard to compare as we don't know how many people have/had COVID, but we do have a pretty solid idea of how many people drive.
ANd driving is a continuous activity, but COVID is something we hope to stop (but requires everyone working together.)
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USA COVID Deaths 2020: 581K (with many not reported)
USA Driving Deaths 2020: 42K (highest in 13 years, 8% increase attributed to COVID)So way more than 1000% higher from COVID vs driving, which a huge increase in the driving risk believed to be caused by COVID-induced pattern changes in driving.
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For comparison as well influenza....
"..between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010"
Very similar to driving, nothing compared to COVID.
Common cold is so low, you can't find a stat on it at all.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
USA COVID Deaths 2020: 581K (with many not reported)
USA Driving Deaths 2020: 42K (highest in 13 years, 8% increase attributed to COVID)So way more than 1000% higher from COVID vs driving, which a huge increase in the driving risk believed to be caused by COVID-induced pattern changes in driving.
Wow... that's surprisingly low!
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
For comparison as well influenza....
"..between 12,000 – 61,000 deaths annually since 2010"
Very similar to driving, nothing compared to COVID.
Common cold is so low, you can't find a stat on it at all.
yeah, this one is pretty common knowledge because of the amount of comparisons out there... I knew Covid was 9x+ greater than the largest recent year.
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@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
USA COVID Deaths 2020: 581K (with many not reported)
USA Driving Deaths 2020: 42K (highest in 13 years, 8% increase attributed to COVID)So way more than 1000% higher from COVID vs driving, which a huge increase in the driving risk believed to be caused by COVID-induced pattern changes in driving.
Wow... that's surprisingly low!
No kidding, I figured it was way, way higher as well. Still at 40K I want to see that risk go away. That's nearly 1000 per state, per year. That means nearly everyone knows someone who died from that.
That said, someone we know died from car accident (single vehicle, totally her own fault, no one else involved) last night.
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@dashrender said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
USA COVID Deaths 2020: 581K (with many not reported)
USA Driving Deaths 2020: 42K (highest in 13 years, 8% increase attributed to COVID)So way more than 1000% higher from COVID vs driving, which a huge increase in the driving risk believed to be caused by COVID-induced pattern changes in driving.
Wow... that's surprisingly low!
No kidding, I figured it was way, way higher as well. Still at 40K I want to see that risk go away. That's nearly 1000 per state, per year. That means nearly everyone knows someone who died from that.
you know it doesn't work that way, but I know what your point was....
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@scottalanmiller said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
@obsolesce said in What Are You Doing Right Now:
That's not how vaccines work. That's now OTC medicine works... for example, you get the Flu, and you take something for headache. It lessens the symptom, but does nothing to stop you from getting the virus. Vaccines on the other hand, are absolutely designed to stop you from getting it.
That's nice in theory. But here in the real world, what something is designed to do and what something does aren't the same. While the vaccine does reduce your chance of getting the virus, the primary purpose that people are getting it for is the discovery that the vaccines protects well against severe cases of the virus and can even lead to recovery from long term symptoms.
In the current, real world situation, the vaccine is one to reduce symptoms, not to stop you from getting the virus.
And we've had people we know infected after getting the vaccine.
A successful vaccination means you are fully immune and you don't get sick at all after exposed to the Covid-19 virus. An unsuccessful vaccination means your body never reaches full immunity after the 2 weeks following completion of vaccination.
So, for the small percentage of people the vaccination does not work, that's what I was referring to in the part I wrote that you left out of your quote. The numbers are out and you can see the effectiveness of the vaccines.
You can see for yourself what "at risk" actually means, and you can also see what the risk factors are. It is totally not as unknown as you think. There is tons of data now.
You can find all of this on the CDC website yourself instead of saying things that aren't true.
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Haven't posted anything in ML since like forever haha. I just published this video on Youtube. Just goofing around with some new gadgets I got the in the past week. Cheers!
