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    • travisdh1T
      travisdh1 @DustinB3403
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      @DustinB3403 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

      So can I get my Hyper-V VHDX to run on proxmox through an embedded Hyper-V hypervisor? Cause that would be great to do as I have a few systems that need to remain on Hyper-V for reasons I can't dig into atm.

      If they have to run on Hyper-V, let it by Hyper-V and don't muck around with that sort of nightmare.

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      • DustinB3403D
        DustinB3403 @travisdh1
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        @travisdh1 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

        @DustinB3403 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

        So can I get my Hyper-V VHDX to run on proxmox through an embedded Hyper-V hypervisor? Cause that would be great to do as I have a few systems that need to remain on Hyper-V for reasons I can't dig into atm.

        If they have to run on Hyper-V, let it by Hyper-V and don't muck around with that sort of nightmare.

        Jared got it (I think).

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        • scottalanmillerS
          scottalanmiller @Dashrender
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          @Dashrender said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          @travisdh1 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          @Doyler3000 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          @scottalanmiller said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          @Doyler3000 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

          The method of creating a volume group on the thinpool and creating the qcow2 files in that works for me. Just wondered if anyone had thoughts on whether that's the right thing to do.

          Nothing wrong with that at a technical level, but makes no sense to try to work around ProxMox' mechanisms if using ProxMox.

          So I'm wondering what I've missed. You use qcow2 on lvm-thin but I don't seem to have that option unless I create directory storage on top of the lvm-thin volume.
          I'll keep playing around.

          Why do you even care about qcow2 or lvm-thin in the first place? Click on the button that creates a vm within Proxmox and just use the default settings.

          This is what I'm wondering. It sounds like "being weird", trying to work around a perfectly working solution for no particular reason. If I was building my own system from scratch, would I build with qcow2? Probably. But if I choose ProxMox would I try to get under the hood and change the guts, no.

          If all you know is the manual system, using something that is appliance based can be a hard mindset to get into...of course one should get there, sometimes just need a reminder.

          Or just stick to manual if you are comfortable with that already. No need to move to an appliance.

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          • Doyler3000D
            Doyler3000 @scottalanmiller
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            Well since I use this forum a lot and I don't want to be seen as 'weird' I'll try to explain where I was coming from.
            Yes I've been using vanilla KVM for a few years and I've always used qcow2. There was some talk about qcow2 earlier in the conversation with stacksofplates being quite positive about their advantages and then SAM saying that he uses qcow2 on lvm-thin mostly and it was the default for Proxmox.
            So I thought - those guys generally know what they are talking about, let me see if I can make a qcow2 on lvm-thin.
            But proxmox wouldn't let me until I created some directory storage on the thinpool.
            Ok great that works - but that seems a little strange - let me ask the guys and gals on the forum what they think.
            And here we are.

            As regards moving to an appliance - I'm comfortable with KVM but I run our VM infrastructure mostly on my own. On occasions where I'm on holiday or otherwise unavailable, it would be helpful if at least a couple of others could administer the system (particularly backups).

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            • scottalanmillerS
              scottalanmiller @Doyler3000
              last edited by

              @Doyler3000 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

              Well since I use this forum a lot and I don't want to be seen as 'weird' I'll try to explain where I was coming from.

              Not that you seem weird, just this one thing is what we call "being weird", or at least feels like it. 🙂 We all act weird sometimes.

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              • scottalanmillerS
                scottalanmiller @Doyler3000
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                @Doyler3000 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                and then SAM saying that he uses qcow2 on lvm-thin mostly and it was the default for Proxmox.

                I said that? I must have mispoke.

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                • scottalanmillerS
                  scottalanmiller @Doyler3000
                  last edited by

                  @Doyler3000 said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                  As regards moving to an appliance - I'm comfortable with KVM but I run our VM infrastructure mostly on my own. On occasions where I'm on holiday or otherwise unavailable, it would be helpful if at least a couple of others could administer the system (particularly backups).

                  Totally makes sense. I'm the same. We have a much larger pool of people for ProxMox support than we do for non-ProxMox KVM support. It's nice to let the bigger pool handle general tasks. And the web interface is really nice.

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                  • JaredBuschJ
                    JaredBusch
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                    So, looking at Proxmox for a new deployment. I'll be dropping it on a spare laptop tomorrow to kick the tires.

                    Looking at Proxmox over KVM simply for the GUI backup features.

                    Anyone have any comments since they have fully released the backup stuff?

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                    • FATeknollogeeF
                      FATeknollogee
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                      I have not tried the new Backup Server yet.
                      I do use the built-in PVE backup.

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                      • JaredBuschJ
                        JaredBusch
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                        A comment about the default install. With 6.3 on a system with a single disk, it used ext4 by default.

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                        • JaredBuschJ
                          JaredBusch
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                          and logging in, it looks like LVM-thin is right there.
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                          • JaredBuschJ
                            JaredBusch
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                            Uploading an ISO was simplicity. Not sure how/why the entire dicsussion above happened about using a USB....
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                            • JaredBuschJ
                              JaredBusch @JaredBusch
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                              @JaredBusch Oh, I assume because of this option?
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                              Fuck that. No one does that anywhere. The feature exists in every Hypervisor. But seriously, no one uses it.

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                              • JaredBuschJ
                                JaredBusch
                                last edited by JaredBusch

                                So what is the confusion about storage. It is not like you have an option when making a VM.
                                These were the defaults I saw.
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                                • JaredBuschJ
                                  JaredBusch
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                                  Not sure why LSI is "default, but VirtIO was selected? I left it alone.
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                                  • JaredBuschJ
                                    JaredBusch
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                                    Going to have to RTFM soon, but WTF with a firewall enabled?
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                                    I do not want my hypervisor doing jack shit to my instances.

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                                    • JaredBuschJ
                                      JaredBusch
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                                      Wonder what they could do about Firefox thinking it is a pop up.

                                      When Vultr pops the console, Firefox does not bitch like this.
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                                      • black3dynamiteB
                                        black3dynamite
                                        last edited by black3dynamite

                                        I mainly used the built-in backup in PVE excluding a couple of VMs that is being backed up via Proxmox Backup Server.
                                        For backups in PVE, I use the ZSTD for compression and Snapshots mode instead of supsend or stop.

                                        For backups in PBS, I have garbage collection schedule set to run once week, prune is scheduled daily and it's set to keep the last 7 snapshots. I haven't tried its sync jobs (I assume its for syncing backups to another backup server. I have read the manual.).

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                                        • black3dynamiteB
                                          black3dynamite @JaredBusch
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                                          @JaredBusch said in Reconsidering ProxMox:

                                          Going to have to RTFM soon, but WTF with a firewall enabled?
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                                          I do not want my hypervisor doing jack shit to my instances.

                                          Although is selected, it's not active.
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                                          • black3dynamiteB
                                            black3dynamite
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                                            There's a firewall setting at the Datacenter (cluster) level, for each PVE hosts and for each VM/Container.

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