Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Legality refers to something passed into law (in our case by congress). EULA are simply an agreement between you and in this case Microsoft.
It gives MS an easy opportunity if it wanted to take you to court for damages or to make you stop doing something you've been doing.
The two are not at all related. You can use Windows 10 to act as a server, but you are not allowed to. It is also not illegal to use Windows 10 as a server (because congress isn't going to be passing any laws regarding this).
There are laws that handle civil (tort) cases. Against the law doesn't mean a criminal act. It applies to civil (tort) actions as well.
So yes, it's illegal, but no 12 angry men in black pajamas won't be kicking in your door.
Right, but tort law "is an act or omission that gives rise to injury or harm to another", not directly related the the EULA.
The tort in this case would possibly be that Connectwise is omitting/plainly stating "it's fine" even when the EULA doesn't actually allow you to use a desktop OS as a server.
To which their defense would likely be "they agreed to the EULA, not us, therefore they should know what is and isn't allowed"
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Legality refers to something passed into law (in our case by congress). EULA are simply an agreement between you and in this case Microsoft.
It gives MS an easy opportunity if it wanted to take you to court for damages or to make you stop doing something you've been doing.
The two are not at all related. You can use Windows 10 to act as a server, but you are not allowed to. It is also not illegal to use Windows 10 as a server (because congress isn't going to be passing any laws regarding this).
There are laws that handle civil (tort) cases. Against the law doesn't mean a criminal act. It applies to civil (tort) actions as well.
So yes, it's illegal, but no 12 angry men in black pajamas won't be kicking in your door.
Right, but tort law "is an act or omission that gives rise to injury or harm to another", not directly related the the EULA.
The tort in this case would possibly be that Connectwise is omitting/plainly stating "it's fine" even when the EULA doesn't actually allow you to use a desktop OS as a server.
To which their defense would likely be "they agreed to the EULA, not us, therefore they should know what is and isn't allowed"
It becomes a moot point because it's just speech. They aren't doing anything legally wrong (unless I am missing something). It's the person who takes their advice that is in trouble. The person who hits 'accept' to the EULA or the company they are acting as an agent for.
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
They aren't doing anything legally wrong
They are doing something wrong, in that they are leading you into tort against MS. I'm positive there is some sort of law on the books about this, but the onus is on the final user (you) to make sure you're compliant.
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
They aren't doing anything legally wrong
They are doing something wrong, in that they are leading you into tort against MS. I'm positive there is some sort of law on the books about this, but the onus is on the final user (you) to make sure you're compliant.
Yes, I agree. It's the end user left holding the bag (previous post). It would be tough going after them, however I'm sure Microsoft could make things difficult for them.
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@Dashrender said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Short of an audit by Microsoft specifically where they look at use, nothing will likely ever happen.
Exactly
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@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@Dashrender said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Short of an audit by Microsoft specifically where they look at use, nothing will likely ever happen.
Exactly
Just because you may never have any negative consequences of doing this, doesn't mean you should still do it. .
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
They aren't doing anything legally wrong
They are doing something wrong, in that they are leading you into tort against MS. I'm positive there is some sort of law on the books about this, but the onus is on the final user (you) to make sure you're compliant.
Yes, I agree. It's the end user left holding the bag (previous post). It would be tough going after them, however I'm sure Microsoft could make things difficult for them.
Who does Microsoft go after? all they said is you could do that. They arent actually violating anything. They aren't doing anything illegal themselves.
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@Dashrender said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Short of an audit by Microsoft specifically where they look at use, nothing will likely ever happen.
Exactly
Just because you may never have any negative consequences of doing this, doesn't mean you should still do it. .
So don't do it. Don't go around tattling on people to Microsoft either.
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@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@Dashrender said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Short of an audit by Microsoft specifically where they look at use, nothing will likely ever happen.
Exactly
Just because you may never have any negative consequences of doing this, doesn't mean you should still do it. .
So don't do it. Don't go around tattling on people to Microsoft either.
I don't think anyone was tattling to Microsoft (at least not that I saw in this thread). But there are reward programs from Microsoft for just this sort of thing.
It could be in my interest to send that to MS just to be potentially rewarded. Not that I care in this argument, I neither have any evidence of this (besides this topic) nor am I motivated.
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Y'all choose the weirdest things to wrangle over.
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@Kelly said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Y'all choose the weirdest things to wrangle over.
It's ya'll not y'all!
Shot's fired, lets argue it.
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@Kelly said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Y'all choose the weirdest things to wrangle over.
It's ya'll not y'all!
Shot's fired, lets argue it.
Rite, just wut I sed.
Hukt on fonix werkt for me!
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@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
They aren't doing anything legally wrong
They are doing something wrong, in that they are leading you into tort against MS. I'm positive there is some sort of law on the books about this, but the onus is on the final user (you) to make sure you're compliant.
Yes, I agree. It's the end user left holding the bag (previous post). It would be tough going after them, however I'm sure Microsoft could make things difficult for them.
Who does Microsoft go after? all they said is you could do that. They arent actually violating anything. They aren't doing anything illegal themselves.
The end user.
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@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@Dashrender said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Short of an audit by Microsoft specifically where they look at use, nothing will likely ever happen.
Exactly
Just because you may never have any negative consequences of doing this, doesn't mean you should still do it. .
So don't do it. Don't go around tattling on people to Microsoft either.
Why not alert Microsoft?
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@CCWTech said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@Dashrender said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
Short of an audit by Microsoft specifically where they look at use, nothing will likely ever happen.
Exactly
Just because you may never have any negative consequences of doing this, doesn't mean you should still do it. .
So don't do it. Don't go around tattling on people to Microsoft either.
Why not alert Microsoft?
Because it takes effort.
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@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
I don't think anyone was tattling to Microsoft (at least not that I saw in this thread). But there are reward programs from Microsoft for just this sort of thing.
Please tell me the crime?
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It's been noted here a million times that the ones without the licensing are responsible. If someone tells you to rob a bank, and you rob a bank you can't say well this random dude told me to do it.
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@IRJ said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
@DustinB3403 said in Connectwise Control / Screenconnect recommends you break the law to run their software:
I don't think anyone was tattling to Microsoft (at least not that I saw in this thread). But there are reward programs from Microsoft for just this sort of thing.
Please tell me the crime?
It doesn't need to be a crime, for fuck's sake. A crime has laws around it. An EULA issue isn't a crime, it , the EULA, simply allows two entities know what they can and cannot do with regards to what the hell ever.
MS would have to take the end user to court if they did this themselves. If ConnectWise is selling this as a turnkey solution, then MS could very easily take ConnectWise to court for violating the EULA that they agree'd to when they setup said turnkey.
Since this is a paid solution we're discussing it would be very easy to draw a line of responsibility to the vendor of said system who was violating the EULA.
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In any scenario, the suggestion of doing something that violates the EULA, isn't illegal, just shady as all fuck. Because it's putting their customers on the hook to make their TCO look cheaper than it actually is at whatever scale is being discussed.
