Exchange 2016 Install Issue
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
Since I've got you all here. What are your thoughts on Exchange server built in Esxi? I was told be someone with more experience than me recently that this is a bad idea, but wasn't given much insight into why or how.
The rule of thumb is to virtualize everything, and unless you have a really very good reason (like some custom card that couldn't be passed to a VM) would you then consider a physical installation.
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@DustinB3403 said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
Since I've got you all here. What are your thoughts on Exchange server built in Esxi? I was told be someone with more experience than me recently that this is a bad idea, but wasn't given much insight into why or how.
The rule of thumb is to virtualize everything, and unless you have a really very good reason
I thought that to be the case. Thanks for that. Just got that PERC H730P installed. I'm going to try again with a VM I think.
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@DustinB3403 said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
Since I've got you all here. What are your thoughts on Exchange server built in Esxi? I was told be someone with more experience than me recently that this is a bad idea, but wasn't given much insight into why or how.
The rule of thumb is to virtualize everything, and unless you have a really very good reason
I thought that to be the case. Thanks for that. Just got that PERC H730P installed. I'm going to try again with a VM I think.
I second @DustinB3403 - virtualize 99.999% of everything except for something super special or requires direct access to hardware (USB keys, specific internal PCI cards, etc.)
Good luck with the new PERC. You shouldn't see any issues. I've been messing with my R440 all runs fantastic (SMB and NFS shares).
Also, just in case as I don't remember at the moment, make sure to use the Dell OEM ESXi 6.7 U2 or U3 iso.
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@DustinB3403 said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
Since I've got you all here. What are your thoughts on Exchange server built in Esxi? I was told be someone with more experience than me recently that this is a bad idea, but wasn't given much insight into why or how.
The rule of thumb is to virtualize everything, and unless you have a really very good reason
I thought that to be the case. Thanks for that. Just got that PERC H730P installed. I'm going to try again with a VM I think.
you mean you were not making this a VM? crazy man, crazy!
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you mean you were not making this a VM? crazy man, crazy!
Nah man, remember I was waiting on the H730P? I was hoping to get up a bare metal in the meantime, but that didn't work out.
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Just so I understand the environment.
You had/have
AD server - still have
Exchange 2013 - now gone
Exchange 2016 - now goneIs that right?
Assuming it is, now you're trying to add a new Exchange server back into this environment, on a new server, so you'll end up with
AD server
Exchange serverQuestion - do you still have the old data from Exchange 2013/2016? that you need to put into this new Exchange server?
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
you mean you were not making this a VM? crazy man, crazy!
Nah man, remember I was waiting on the H730P? I was hoping to get up a bare metal in the meantime, but that didn't work out.
Sure, but even a temp box should still be a VM. No reason to really ever make it bare metal.
If I was building a temp Exchange box, I'd slap whatever hypervisor on that box first - make a VM, install windows Server and then Exchange... no different than the ultimate location where I want to host Exchange. Do it this way makes it cake to move to the new hardware - just shut down the VM, transfer it over, import if needed, start it up and go! no worrying about doing a P2V...
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@Dashrender said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
you mean you were not making this a VM? crazy man, crazy!
Nah man, remember I was waiting on the H730P? I was hoping to get up a bare metal in the meantime, but that didn't work out.
Sure, but even a temp box should still be a VM. No reason to really ever make it bare metal.
If I was building a temp Exchange box, I'd slap whatever hypervisor on that box first - make a VM, install windows Server and then Exchange... no different than the ultimate location where I want to host Exchange. Do it this way makes it cake to move to the new hardware - just shut down the VM, transfer it over, import if needed, start it up and go! no worrying about doing a P2V...
They have identical PERC Adapters, lol.
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@Dashrender said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
you mean you were not making this a VM? crazy man, crazy!
Nah man, remember I was waiting on the H730P? I was hoping to get up a bare metal in the meantime, but that didn't work out.
Sure, but even a temp box should still be a VM. No reason to really ever make it bare metal.
If I was building a temp Exchange box, I'd slap whatever hypervisor on that box first - make a VM, install windows Server and then Exchange... no different than the ultimate location where I want to host Exchange. Do it this way makes it cake to move to the new hardware - just shut down the VM, transfer it over, import if needed, start it up and go! no worrying about doing a P2V...
They have identical PERC Adapters, lol.
that doesn't really matter - it could have been a desktop for the temp machine - assuming it had enough storage for your needs
this is because you're migrating the VM, which is mostly if not entirely, hardware agnostic... -
@Dashrender said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
Just so I understand the environment.
You had/have
AD server - still have
Exchange 2013 - now gone
Exchange 2016 - now goneIs that right?
Assuming it is, now you're trying to add a new Exchange server back into this environment, on a new server, so you'll end up with
AD server
Exchange serverQuestion - do you still have the old data from Exchange 2013/2016? that you need to put into this new Exchange server?
I don't. We're considering it a complete loss. Silver lining is we'll get the funding to protect ourselves now, and the opportunity to build everything into VM's.
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@Dashrender said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
Just so I understand the environment.
You had/have
AD server - still have
Exchange 2013 - now gone
Exchange 2016 - now goneIs that right?
Assuming it is, now you're trying to add a new Exchange server back into this environment, on a new server, so you'll end up with
AD server
Exchange serverQuestion - do you still have the old data from Exchange 2013/2016? that you need to put into this new Exchange server?
I don't. We're considering it a complete loss. Silver lining is we'll get the funding to protect ourselves now, and the opportunity to build everything into VM's.
Is there a reason you are returning to onsite Exchange instead of moving to O365 or some other hosted solution?
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Is there a reason you are returning to onsite Exchange instead of moving to O365 or some other hosted solution?
Money.
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
Is there a reason you are returning to onsite Exchange instead of moving to O365 or some other hosted solution?
Money.
As in you already have the Exchange licenses, so it's mostly a non cash setup situation?
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How many users do you have? how many workstations? How many file shares - are permissions used a lot in those file shares?
perhaps, it would be worthwhile to start your AD all over again?
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As in you already have the Exchange licenses, so it's mostly a non cash setup situation?
Nail on the head.
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@Dashrender said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
How many users do you have? how many workstations? How many file shares - are permissions used a lot in those file shares?
perhaps, it would be worthwhile to start your AD all over again?
I'm gonna power through this build first and see how it goes.
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@Dashrender said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
Just so I understand the environment.
You had/have
AD server - still have
Exchange 2013 - now gone
Exchange 2016 - now goneIs that right?
Assuming it is, now you're trying to add a new Exchange server back into this environment, on a new server, so you'll end up with
AD server
Exchange serverQuestion - do you still have the old data from Exchange 2013/2016? that you need to put into this new Exchange server?
I don't. We're considering it a complete loss. Silver lining is we'll get the funding to protect ourselves now, and the opportunity to build everything into VM's.
So why not setup a fully new AD domain and reinstall Exchange there then? It would be the best course of action as it will be clean.
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@dbeato We may have to, but like I said I'm going to power through this build first, and we'll see how it goes.
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@G-I-Jones said in Exchange 2016 Install Issue:
@dbeato We may have to, but like I said I'm going to power through this build first, and we'll see how it goes.
Do it side by side. Setup another AD in another Server and work through it. I bet the new one will go much faster.
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@dbeato My plan is to just roll back the snapshot of the AD we have now to when we first built it pre-Exchange. Giving me a blank canvas if it comes to that.
