Writing a Job Posting
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Many jobs start offering more and more time off as an employee hangs around i.e. 5 yrs = extra year of vacation... would you expect someone who hung around this long to negotiate a salary raise commensurate with this? Not something for the posting, but a followup question.
What if a person doesn't need health insurance because their family has it through their spouse?
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
Many jobs start offering more and more time off as an employee hangs around i.e. 5 yrs = extra year of vacation... would you expect someone who hung around this long to negotiate a salary raise commensurate with this? Not something for the posting, but a followup question.
Anyone with seniority starts to negotiate raises of one sort or another. I think that that is baked into any thought process.
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@pmoncho said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
*We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.Wow, seems like a tough gig.
Yeah this is pretty uncertain - is there any type of assured number of hours? I mean - i seriously doubt it, but one should ask.
I was thinking about this also. Just figured it would be a question during the interview process vs being listed on the job posting.
Didn't want to get a FFS or WTF!
LOL you'll just get it in the interview instead
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
What if a person doesn't need health insurance because their family has it through the other spouse?
Surprisingly few companies give any compensation for that. Should they? Likely. But very few do (partially because many actually make money on you having healthcare.)
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@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
What if a person doesn't need health insurance because their family has it through the other spouse?
Surprisingly few companies give any compensation for that. Should they? Likely. But very few do (partially because many actually make money on you having healthcare.)
I know mine does - my boss gets her's through her husband's Firefighter for life insurance policy (don't get me started)... and she gets extra compensation because the company doesn't have to pay for her.. not sure it's 1:1, but hey, anything would be better than nothing.
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@Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
*We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.Wow, seems like a tough gig.
From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.
You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.
Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.
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@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
*We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.Wow, seems like a tough gig.
From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.
You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.
Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.
If you have the self-discipline, this can be awesome - you could work 4 10's and have three day weekends, or better. The issue is when you want a continuous 7+ days off in a row - Does the company have other people to take over while you're gone?
What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Carnival-Boy said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
*We currently run on an hourly payment model. The time you bill to clients is what you are paid.
There is no vacation, but the hourly rate accounts for that. If you can't swing taking time off, it is your own fault.Wow, seems like a tough gig.
From your perspective maybe. But I take off when I want. I work when I want. For 2019 I put in 40/week most weeks.
You might have missed where the rate accounts for the time.
I worked 1983.5 hours in 2019. That is 96.5 less hours than 40 hours a week. Basically, I took 12 days completely off.In reality, I took off more than that, and worked more than 8 hours a day often.
Fuck your old school 8-5 bullshit concepts of a job.
If you have the self-discipline, this can be awesome - you could work 4 10's and have three day weekends, or better. The issue is when you want a continuous 7+ days off in a row - Does the company have other people to take over while you're gone?
What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.
Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.
Financially, that onus is on me. When I was hired, I negotiated an hourly rate to account for ~80 hours of "vacation". If I don't have the financial ability to handle it, that is my own problem. I had the option to negotiate a typical "vacation" allotment and take a lower hourly rate. Math people. It is not that hard of a thing.
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The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
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@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem
Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.
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@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem
Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.
Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem
Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.
Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.
I can still take time off. three weeks in Japan only means a single week missed in an every other week schedule when planned correctly.
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@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@scottalanmiller said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
The above said, I spend 2-3 weeks in Japan in the summer when I want to.
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
The inability to visit St Louis makes being gone that long (or super expensive) a problem
Don't have to visit St Louis when you are on vacation.
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
What are the chances of a real 2 week (or even three week vacation)? Perhaps these are a reality to you - They have been for me.
Well at the moment, the possibility it near zero, but only because I need this person.
I can still take time off. three weeks in Japan only means a single week missed in an every other week schedule when planned correctly.
True - which would actually allow for a person to travel for 4 weeks, assuming that someone else took over that week - and the person could in fact not miss any actual work while "on vacation" if it was a working vacation (assuming sufficient downtime to do work)
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@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
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@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
But your point is valid. I can, and do, take time off and not work.
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@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
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@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
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@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
@Obsolesce said in Writing a Job Posting:
@JaredBusch said in Writing a Job Posting:
That doesn't mean I can't get work done.
Working on vacation is totally an American concept.
Visiting the in-laws is not exactly a vacation either.
Heh, yeah I was going to add unless you are in Japan but not on vacation when you are working. Similar to how I did before, had a couple of weeks of true vacation, and worked remotely otherwise,while overseas.
That's the benefit to this type of workstyle. The "need" for a true vacation is so much less. Because I already do pretty much what I want.
Yeah, we talk about that at NTG a lot.... the "work as a lifestyle" type work. A career and job and company that let's your work and your life integrate. The idea of a vacation starts to not mean much. Vacations are conceptually for people who want to escape work and life. But we approach it as... you shouldn't want to escape your job. We try to make working here something people enjoy, not just "good enough for the paycheck."
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@Dashrender said in Writing a Job Posting:
has it through the other spouse?
How many spouses can you have where you live?
