MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert
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@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
I don't know of any home users still on 7. Nobody keeps a device that long, and would have something later than Win7.
huh, I know many. A few here have been asking about this - I told them.. just buy a new computer, if you still have Windows 7 at home, you really just need a new computer.
Agree with that. I wish people would do that.
Well - I don't have to support them for free, so the only free thing they get is my advice to buy a new PC. which in one case, they did!
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@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
I don't know of any home users still on 7. Nobody keeps a device that long, and would have something later than Win7.
huh, I know many. A few here have been asking about this - I told them.. just buy a new computer, if you still have Windows 7 at home, you really just need a new computer.
Why would they need a new computer? I can't follow this logic. Everyone seems to say this, but it seems like everyone is just blowing off users. Why would a computer that currently runs Windows 7 be considered automatically so old as to be useless? The majority that I run into are just fine hardware for their users today. We've got both commercial customers and home users just updating their software and running great on what you automatically consider to be worthless hardware.
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@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce I know several unfortunately.
How? They bought the device with Win7 pre-installed by the manufacturer?
I know the technical deadline was 2016 sometime, but by then Win10 was mainstream haha.
yep.. we're talking 8+ year old computers... hell, my office has many 6+ year old computers in it.
Two false assumptions....
Windows 7 is ancient, but doesn't mean that the hardware is old. Windows 7 might be on pretty new hardware, even as little as like two years old.
Second, eight years old isn't even close to where you would ever "automatically throw it out".
hell, I want all this "old" hardware you are convincing people not to keep!
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@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@RojoLoco said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce I know several unfortunately.
How? They bought the device with Win7 pre-installed by the manufacturer?
I know the technical deadline was 2016 sometime, but by then Win10 was mainstream haha.
Home users don't all go by the 3-5 year refresh cycle. I know plenty of people still running 7 (including the recording PC in our studio).
Yeah, loads and loads. In fact, nearly every home user I know because Windows 7 is "good enough" and other than gamers, machines from that era are usually still quite good.
Exactly, as long as you didn't buy bottom of the barrel, it probably handles surfing the web just fine.
Exactly. Especially if you update to Windows 10 or way better, a Linux variant. It's not hard to get eight year old machines working better than they did new!
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@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
I don't know of any home users still on 7. Nobody keeps a device that long, and would have something later than Win7.
huh, I know many. A few here have been asking about this - I told them.. just buy a new computer, if you still have Windows 7 at home, you really just need a new computer.
Agree with that. I wish people would do that.
Why? Why do we want everyone to replace working computers so often?
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@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
I don't know of any home users still on 7. Nobody keeps a device that long, and would have something later than Win7.
huh, I know many. A few here have been asking about this - I told them.. just buy a new computer, if you still have Windows 7 at home, you really just need a new computer.
Why would they need a new computer? I can't follow this logic. Everyone seems to say this, but it seems like everyone is just blowing off users. Why would a computer that currently runs Windows 7 be considered automatically so old as to be useless? The majority that I run into are just fine hardware for their users today. We've got both commercial customers and home users just updating their software and running great on what you automatically consider to be worthless hardware.
I do mainly because those users (home users) are unwilling/unable to do the upgrade themselves. I tell them, sure I'd be happy to do it for you - for $200+ Because... and just because we do the upgrade doesn't mean the computer won't die tomorrow, so that 8+ year old computer, do you want to spend $200 on it? Or you can move to a newer computer - prehaps even a chromebook (though once they look at almost no one buys one - not in my circles anyhow).
There are are so many advantages to upgrading - good chances now of getting SSD, 8 GB of RAM. Their 8+ year old machine definitely has HDD and 2-4 GB RAM.
yeah, I know Windows 10 will run on it, it can just be a dog though. that said, my 2013 laptops with i5, 4 GB and HDD - have been running Windows 10 since 1511 (upgraded our entire fleet before the anniversary update in case free upgrades went away)... and it works, well enough - though not what I would call web efficient. Moving to SSD and 8 GB of RAM, that same machine is significantly more web efficient.
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@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce I know several unfortunately.
How? They bought the device with Win7 pre-installed by the manufacturer?
I know the technical deadline was 2016 sometime, but by then Win10 was mainstream haha.
yep.. we're talking 8+ year old computers... hell, my office has many 6+ year old computers in it.
Two false assumptions....
Windows 7 is ancient, but doesn't mean that the hardware is old. Windows 7 might be on pretty new hardware, even as little as like two years old.
Second, eight years old isn't even close to where you would ever "automatically throw it out".
hell, I want all this "old" hardware you are convincing people not to keep!
I always ask - how old.. if they told me it was only 2-3 years old.. I would consider the upgrade option, more than 5 years, definitely replace - for a home user.
As for the old hardware, you're not a home user - you can completely manage these devices on your own. These people can not. The cost of upgrading isn't worth it in my opinion compared to the other advantages they gain with a newer system.
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@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
I don't know of any home users still on 7. Nobody keeps a device that long, and would have something later than Win7.
huh, I know many. A few here have been asking about this - I told them.. just buy a new computer, if you still have Windows 7 at home, you really just need a new computer.
Why would they need a new computer? I can't follow this logic. Everyone seems to say this, but it seems like everyone is just blowing off users. Why would a computer that currently runs Windows 7 be considered automatically so old as to be useless? The majority that I run into are just fine hardware for their users today. We've got both commercial customers and home users just updating their software and running great on what you automatically consider to be worthless hardware.
Don't get me wrong, I totally get it... I used to have and continued to use a 10+ year old desktop before I got this Asus many years ago. If it runs well, and there's no issues, by all means keep your hardware. Then, upgrade the OS after 10+ years and becomes totally unsupported, though... again, which is what this full-screen ad is supposed to do. Make the home user aware, and either buy Win10, or take it to the shop to get *nix + Cinnamon or something.
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@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
Why would they need a new computer?
From what I've seen anything that came with win7 will run win10 a lot slower. in fact some of my models from dell dont officially have win10 drivers. To me, thats too old. I'm sure there are exceptions , such as models that came with 7 at the end of its timeline but a lot don't run it well.
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@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
I don't know of any home users still on 7. Nobody keeps a device that long, and would have something later than Win7.
huh, I know many. A few here have been asking about this - I told them.. just buy a new computer, if you still have Windows 7 at home, you really just need a new computer.
Agree with that. I wish people would do that.
Why? Why do we want everyone to replace working computers so often?
Because the people that have computers that came with win7, in most cases, need better hardware to run win10. We have dell here and models that came with 7 such as the optiplex 7010, 790, 780, gx520 are just extremely slow and in many cases not stable with win10.
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@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
As for the old hardware, you're not a home user - you can completely manage these devices on your own. These people can not. The cost of upgrading isn't worth it in my opinion compared to the other advantages they gain with a newer system.
I've been doing this for home users. Pop on Ubuntu, Fedora, or ChromeOS. Suddenly it's fast and nowhere near end of life. And finally secure and easy to use!
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@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
I don't know of any home users still on 7. Nobody keeps a device that long, and would have something later than Win7.
huh, I know many. A few here have been asking about this - I told them.. just buy a new computer, if you still have Windows 7 at home, you really just need a new computer.
Agree with that. I wish people would do that.
Why? Why do we want everyone to replace working computers so often?
Because the people that have computers that came with win7, in most cases, need better hardware to run win10. We have dell here and models that came with 7 such as the optiplex 7010, 790, 780, gx520 are just extremely slow and in many cases not stable with win10.
That's VERY rare, in my experience. People with currently working Windows 7 machines generally have plenty of horsepower for Windows 10. but Windows 10 is hardly the only (or often best) option. If you are still running Windows 7 usefully today... it nearly guarantees that you never needed Windows since you aren't keeping it maintained. These are the ideal candidates for an OS decision.
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@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
Why would they need a new computer?
From what I've seen anything that came with win7 will run win10 a lot slower. in fact some of my models from dell dont officially have win10 drivers. To me, thats too old. I'm sure there are exceptions , such as models that came with 7 at the end of its timeline but a lot don't run it well.
But will almost always run Ubuntu or Fedora (and definitely ChromeOS) way faster. Not just a little faster, like crazy faster.
@mary is one of several people that did this recently and was blown away by how faster her old hardware was on an brand new OS. From super slow on Windows 7 to super faster on Fedora.
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@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
As for the old hardware, you're not a home user - you can completely manage these devices on your own. These people can not. The cost of upgrading isn't worth it in my opinion compared to the other advantages they gain with a newer system.
I've been doing this for home users. Pop on Ubuntu, Fedora, or ChromeOS. Suddenly it's fast and nowhere near end of life. And finally secure and easy to use!
you are being their tech support and what? doing it free?
In my case - I tell them that it's not worth paying me to do it for them. As for as moving them to a Linux distro - it's just not going to happen, not by me, not for people who aren't my extremely close friends who I don't supporting for free.
All of these people who I am telling this to are people who are unable/unwilling to do it themselves, so they need to pay someone to do it.
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@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
I don't know of any home users still on 7. Nobody keeps a device that long, and would have something later than Win7.
huh, I know many. A few here have been asking about this - I told them.. just buy a new computer, if you still have Windows 7 at home, you really just need a new computer.
Agree with that. I wish people would do that.
Why? Why do we want everyone to replace working computers so often?
Because the people that have computers that came with win7, in most cases, need better hardware to run win10. We have dell here and models that came with 7 such as the optiplex 7010, 790, 780, gx520 are just extremely slow and in many cases not stable with win10.
That's VERY rare, in my experience. People with currently working Windows 7 machines generally have plenty of horsepower for Windows 10.
In general I'll agree with this - as long as you have at least 4 GB of RAM - is it great? of course not, but is it generally as good as Windows 7? yeah it is... and while it's possible for people to visit the upgrade site on their own, in my case, most simply will not - and they want someone else to do it... and after my fees, i generally recommend that this old machine be replaced with something newer - or hell, get rid of it altogether, put their data in google or MS or dropbox and just use their phone/tablet.
If you are still running Windows 7 usefully today... it nearly guarantees that you never needed Windows since you aren't keeping it maintained.
I have no idea how you come to this conclusion? But first I'll say - sure there are likely many that don't need a generic OS like Mac or Windows, and ChromeOS/iOS/Android will do them just fine, but many still don't.
How do you figure that using Windows 7 today means you've not been maintaining it? What software only runs on Windows 10? None that I can think of right this moment. Oh wait - Office 2019, I think perhaps it doesn't work on Windows 7... but that is a Very recent change. Sure there also some games that likely won't work, but these aren't gamers (at least not hardcore ones).
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@scottalanmiller said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@Dashrender said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
As for the old hardware, you're not a home user - you can completely manage these devices on your own. These people can not. The cost of upgrading isn't worth it in my opinion compared to the other advantages they gain with a newer system.
I've been doing this for home users. Pop on Ubuntu, Fedora, or ChromeOS. Suddenly it's fast and nowhere near end of life. And finally secure and easy to use!
I'm not talking about moving to a different OS. That's totally different. I am talking about people who stay with Windows specifically.
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And Dashis right, the people I'm talking about need to stay with windows because that is what they know and will not learn anyhting else. While its a shame, its the reality for a lot of people.
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@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
And Dashis right, the people I'm talking about need to stay with windows because that is what they know and will not learn anyhting else. While its a shame, its the reality for a lot of people.
IMO, if someone can use Windows 7,they can use Linux with Cinnamon with no training at all. Or maybe a simple pointer to the app store or whatever it's called to find apps easier, but that's 10 seconds.
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@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
And Dashis right, the people I'm talking about need to stay with windows because that is what they know and will not learn anyhting else. While its a shame, its the reality for a lot of people.
The reality is that this is already not true - they almost assuredly learned some type of phone OS, and not Windows phone, so they have already learned something else.
Assuming they use Chrome today, they could likely move to ChromeOS pretty easily too, the question with ChromeOS is - does it do everything the user needs/wants? i.e. does it work with their current printer? or will they need to buy a new one? does it work with their camera to download pictures? Do they use a label printer? (granted this one is pretty rare for home use)
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@Obsolesce said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
@jmoore said in MS Windows 7 SP1 Full Screen Alert:
And Dashis right, the people I'm talking about need to stay with windows because that is what they know and will not learn anyhting else. While its a shame, its the reality for a lot of people.
IMO, if someone can use Windows 7,they can use Linux with Cinnamon with no training at all. Or maybe a simple pointer to the app store or whatever it's called to find apps easier, but that's 10 seconds.
Again, this is where I disagree - they won't find any apps they are familiar with in that appstore, and this is the huge rub.
People, Mac and Windows users alike, are accustomed to looking online for downloadable installers to get the apps they want. Assuming you can drill into someone's head that they have Fedora and not Linux (because knowing it's Linux is beyond useless to them) so they look for applications that are compatible.
Could they learn to find the printer add function - probably..
could they learn where to find where their pictures are stored - probably.
etc.
so from that point, it would likely work out OK.
