Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop
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I have a Dell Inspiron P69G laptop that has been flawless on Fedora for years, it's been through many upgrades, and has been on Fedora 30 for a while, no problem. But when the kernel updated from the 5.2.x series to the 5.3.x series (specifically 5.3.5 & 5.3.6) it no longer works and just goes to a black screen as soon as it boots. I can choose the older 5.2 series kernel and it boots up as healthy as ever. So it appears that it is kernel related as to the problem. I have tried later 5.3.6 kernels, as there have been patches, but so far, none of them work.
Now of interest, if I do a Live boot to Fedora 31 Beta with the 5.3.x kernel, it works just fine. So maybe I just need to wait for Fedora 31 in a few weeks and the issue will be resolved? Hard to say.
I tested Ubuntu 19.10 via a Live boot and not surprisingly, it goes to the blank screen as well as it has a 5.3 series kernel.
However, I tested OpenSuse Tumbleweed which has a 5.3.x kernel and that works just fine. So Fedora 31 and Tumbleweed work, Fedora 30 and Ubuntu 19.10 do not. But the kernel version alone does not appear to be the issue.
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@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
I have a Dell Inspiron P69G laptop that has been flawless on Fedora for years, it's been through many upgrades, and has been on Fedora 30 for a while, no problem. But when the kernel updated from the 5.2.x series to the 5.3.x series (specifically 5.3.5 & 5.3.6) it no longer works and just goes to a black screen as soon as it boots. I can choose the older 5.2 series kernel and it boots up as healthy as ever. So it appears that it is kernel related as to the problem. I have tried later 5.3.6 kernels, as there have been patches, but so far, none of them work.
Now of interest, if I do a Live boot to Fedora 31 Beta with the 5.3.x kernel, it works just fine. So maybe I just need to wait for Fedora 31 in a few weeks and the issue will be resolved? Hard to say.
I tested Ubuntu 19.10 via a Live boot and not surprisingly, it goes to the blank screen as well as it has a 5.3 series kernel.
However, I tested OpenSuse Tumbleweed which has a 5.3.x kernel and that works just fine. So Fedora 31 and Tumbleweed work, Fedora 30 and Ubuntu 19.10 do not. But the kernel version alone does not appear to be the issue.
My HP Elitedesk desktop has no issues.
My Dell Inspiron 13" 5378 does not simply go to a black screen, it reboots. It shows the Dell BIOS logo then blanks screen, then reboots after like 10 seconds.
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All my systems except my poweredge servers is using uefi instead of bios and both are working correctly.
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@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
All my systems except my poweredge servers is using uefi instead of bios and both are working correctly.
My laptop should be UEFI. I can check tomorrow.
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I've lost track of which distros are using which backends for graphics, but could it be related to xorg vs wayland or something along those lines? Or since this is a system that's been updated, an old or modified config that was needed previously but is causing grief with the latest round of updates.
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@notverypunny said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
I've lost track of which distros are using which backends for graphics, but could it be related to xorg vs wayland or something along those lines?
Seems kinda of likely, but can't track it down.
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@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@notverypunny said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
I've lost track of which distros are using which backends for graphics, but could it be related to xorg vs wayland or something along those lines?
Seems kinda of likely, but can't track it down.
Your desktop environment is Cinnamon? Fedora Workstation and I believe RHEL 8 and CentOS 8 that uses GNOME3 is about the only distros that defaults to wayland.
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@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@notverypunny said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
I've lost track of which distros are using which backends for graphics, but could it be related to xorg vs wayland or something along those lines?
Seems kinda of likely, but can't track it down.
Your desktop environment is Cinnamon? Fedora Workstation and I believe RHEL 8 and CentOS 8 that uses GNOME3 is about the only distros that defaults to wayland.
It is, yes. F30 with Cinnamon. The F31 that worked was Gnome 3.
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@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@notverypunny said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
I've lost track of which distros are using which backends for graphics, but could it be related to xorg vs wayland or something along those lines?
Seems kinda of likely, but can't track it down.
Your desktop environment is Cinnamon? Fedora Workstation and I believe RHEL 8 and CentOS 8 that uses GNOME3 is about the only distros that defaults to wayland.
It is, yes. F30 with Cinnamon. The F31 that worked was Gnome 3.
When I get to the clients office I’ll remote in to my desk at home and see what graphics it has compared to my laptop.
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@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@notverypunny said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
I've lost track of which distros are using which backends for graphics, but could it be related to xorg vs wayland or something along those lines?
Seems kinda of likely, but can't track it down.
Your desktop environment is Cinnamon? Fedora Workstation and I believe RHEL 8 and CentOS 8 that uses GNOME3 is about the only distros that defaults to wayland.
It is, yes. F30 with Cinnamon. The F31 that worked was Gnome 3.
Are you planning on trying F31 with Cinnamon?
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@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@notverypunny said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
I've lost track of which distros are using which backends for graphics, but could it be related to xorg vs wayland or something along those lines?
Seems kinda of likely, but can't track it down.
Your desktop environment is Cinnamon? Fedora Workstation and I believe RHEL 8 and CentOS 8 that uses GNOME3 is about the only distros that defaults to wayland.
It is, yes. F30 with Cinnamon. The F31 that worked was Gnome 3.
Are you planning on trying F31 with Cinnamon?
I will, yeah.
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Kernel 5.3.7 is available for Fedora 30.
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@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
Kernel 5.3.7 is available for Fedora 30.
firing up my laptop to see what happens
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@JaredBusch said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
Kernel 5.3.7 is available for Fedora 30.
firing up my laptop to see what happens
Nope, reboot loop still.
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Hi, I've had exactly the same problem on HP Pavilion Desktop PC. It goes black screen as soon as it boots. I'm running Fedora with XFCE desktop environment.
I temporarily boot on kernel 5.2.18. I've not tested kernel 5.3.7, and am reluctant to test any other version unless I'm sure the problem is fixed, because only three versions of the kernel are kept available in Grub. Two more updates, and I lose the only working version...
I have not seen the problem mentioned anywhere else... so it's difficult to find out when it can be fixed...
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@tyng said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
Hi, I've had exactly the same problem on HP Pavilion Desktop PC. It goes black screen as soon as it boots. I'm running Fedora with XFCE desktop environment.
I temporarily boot on kernel 5.2.18. I've not tested kernel 5.3.7, and am reluctant to test any other version unless I'm sure the problem is fixed, because only three versions of the kernel are kept available in Grub. Two more updates, and I lose the only working version...
I have not seen the problem mentioned anywhere else... so it's difficult to find out when it can be fixed...
boot to the 5.2 kernel.
delete the newer kernels.
disable kernel updates indnf.If you can't figure that out from my post here, let me know.
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Hi, I found the problem also mentioned here:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Fedora/comments/dp8xvj/issues_with_the_kernel53x_series/
I don't know if the problem is known by the kernel upstream...Regarding Fedora updates, I always run it manually from the command line, so I just enter: dnf upgrade -x kernel*
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Fixed for me with kernel 5.3.12 (Don't know the exact version that solved the problem, it may be a previous version).
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@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@black3dynamite said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@scottalanmiller said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
@notverypunny said in Blank Screen After Fedora 30 Update to 5.3.5 Kernel on Dell Inspiron Laptop:
I've lost track of which distros are using which backends for graphics, but could it be related to xorg vs wayland or something along those lines?
Seems kinda of likely, but can't track it down.
Your desktop environment is Cinnamon? Fedora Workstation and I believe RHEL 8 and CentOS 8 that uses GNOME3 is about the only distros that defaults to wayland.
It is, yes. F30 with Cinnamon. The F31 that worked was Gnome 3.
Are you planning on trying F31 with Cinnamon?
And it worked fine. Doing the F31 update fixed it.
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Issue returned for the last two weeks even on Fedora 31. Luckily the old F30 kernel was still there because of the lock and continued to work. But the 5.4 kernel came out today and it works again.
